Hi everyone I'm Kerry Cassidy fromProject Camelot and today or tonight we're gonna have a very fascinatingdiscussion it's a roundtable discussion with Cliffhigh and paladin and myself and we're going to be talking about cryptocurrencies sort of a hot topic for the days and the future so it's gonna prettymuch be a wide-ranging discussion and I do encourage the people in the chat toformulate good questions and put them in all caps if you don't mind and that willhelp the discussion along so that we know what areas concern you and whatareas you want to hear about so I'm very pleased to have both paladin and cliffhigh on my show tonight and let me see if I can bring them on the screen as ithappens I paladin does not use a camera the reason for that is that he is aprivate investigator and he is not supposed to be showing his face if Iunderstand it correctly and he can maybe clarify that and I'm gonna I have theseBIOS and they're on my website so you can take a look at themcliff high of course is the person who has a patent on a what he calls well heis in charge of this web bot software project and it looks like it was builtif I understand it in 1997 it captures I don't know if this is actually aboutthat or not but the web project has been going for quite a long time and has beenpredicting it's in some ways it's a prediction of behavior software based onlanguage that it gathers and then on the internet heat from humans and maybe fromAI as well that's the question we're gonna ask with regard to cryptocurrencyas well paladin is a forensic financial investigator he's a licensed PI as Imentioned and he is a key member of what is called the white houseat white hats hats report.
Com there are other groups that callthemselves white hats and so it's important not to make a confusionbetween the various groups but this particular group I believe was one ofthe first to come out under that moniker so so anyway welcome guys say hello toeverybody everybody you know listening mmm okay and paladin hello helloeveryone Gaming okay so what I'd like to do isthat's a very sketchy bio that I was giving there so why don't we start withyou cliff and why don't you give yourself a short introduction describethe state of the web bot now and anything else you'd like to say aboutyourself before we get going uh started the project in 93 conceptually I had thefirst code running in 97 took me a year to do the first data run it's notpatented it's a proprietary mechanism my patent is for the for the softwarecalled vortex which actually allows you to read up to 2,000 words per minutefrom computer screens no longer supported or sold since they went tobasically the 1080i high intensity radiation screens in about 2003 or soother than that the current state of the project at the moment is that I'm nolonger doing the ultra reports and I'm concentrating the predictive linguisticspower of the project entirely into crypto currencies crypto currencies aresoftware I've been coding since 1979 so Iunderstand this world and the fit between the predictive linguistics andcrypto currencies is very good and has been for the past couple of years asit's all sort of segwaying in around particular kinds of emotionally intenselanguage the web project essentially I aggregate vast numbers of words off theinternet they go into a thing I called the emotional reduction engine and whatit does is it assigns a numeric value to wordin a particular context that relates to their emotionality that's in thatlanguage and then we look for a fuzzy set theory juxtapositions betweencertain descriptors nouns and that kind of thing and very hot emotional wordssuch that we end up with a bubble of words that are related emotionally andtemporally from which we make predictions and it's been goingbasically since 97 so this will be our 20th year of operation here and it's avery exciting time with all the cryptocurrency stuff blowing up rightnow I've been in you know Bitcoin since 2011 read the white paper in 2009 almostwrote some mining software got distracted by real life popped back inand have been in Kryptos through the big crashes and so on from my perspectivecryptocurrency is all about the death of the dollar and everything flowing intoit and then just as an aside before we can even think about speaking about AIit's gonna be defined we need to you and I need to discuss just exactly whatwe're talking about there and that's that's basically where I'm at I'm just aguy who understands software pretty well and happened to live long enough forthat to be a useful talent at this point okay very good what I wanted to ask youcliff you know I interviewed you a very long time ago right when you kind of hitthe scene I think and I think it was one of the first actually it was on my radioshow and I don't even know a lot of those radio shows got just theydisappeared off our server very unfortunately so I'm not sure if I stillhave it on my server or not but if I do it's on the Project Camelot website sopeople can do a search under your name and maybe find it but if any rate Iwanted to ask you is didn't you have a partner in the early days and do youstill have a partner in in this sort of I had a fellow a friend of mine by thename of George yer who was doing the PR for it okay and was releasinginformation from the project before I set up a website Ididn't know where it was going I was messing around with it I contacted himbecause he had a website on economics my data sets were focused on economics Imade some predictions he found interesting and for a while he was thethe face and the voice of it okay I this was a time when it was dangerous to bemessing about in certain technologies I did not know if my technology was inthat category and then 2001 comes along the very first internet famousprediction I made was in June 2011 or 2001 and it said 85 days within the next85 days we were gonna have this occurrence which turned out to be theattack on the twin towers and all of that that manifestation right so itforecast at 85 days out I actually thought it would happen early in Julybut I had my numeric scale reversed in terms of time and I didn't recognizethat until it actually occurred then I went back and flopped the scale back theother way and everything from that point on started to roll and line up a littlebit better George and I had a parting of the ways he was unhappy with some of thehe wasn't doing any of the coding and had no influence that way he wasstrictly doing all of the PR and was the front part of it we had a parting of theways in 2005 and it came down to this basically there was a he had this ideaas an echo of the 1930s that we would go into a depression and from thatdepression would spring a revitalized USA based around a new form ofcommunications technology that every time these things happened he said wealways get into new new kind of communications technology and theproblem was that the datasets agreed with it and so we were we were simpaticoon that point but around 2005 there were the first hints of the beginning ofdigital currencies this is before the white paper that was released that curedthe double spend problem it was released by Satoshi Nakamoto in 2009I believe famous 2008 so in those three years George and I had a split over thisand he went to work with another project that was doing predictive kind of stuffbased on dreams and prescient visions and so on I don't know where that otherproject is his thing was our positions were exacerbated when he hardenedagainst crypto currencies and he made famously a statement in 2013 that Ohafter the what was known as the mount GOx crash that all the crypto currentsthe exchanges would be failures enclosed in three monthsand at that point I think Bitcoin had crashed down I'm not sure of the exactnumber but it crashed a huge amount down to say 110 dollars or something likethat and then it went flat for two years as the as the industry recovered fromthe mount cox debacle but even then I knew that the data was continuallysaying this was it this was it and what George failed to recognize was bitcoinis a communications technology it it's more than just a currency it's all aboutthe transaction and the communication between people and the trust in anenvironment where you can't trust anyone and it removes trust from the equationthat's why crypto currencies are the perfect vehicle for now and that's alsowhy I know that we're not dealing with a government plot you know that kind ofthing all right it's not a deep State trying to take over although the deepstate is trying to get in on it and may indeed have well the deep statedid work on the hash algorithms and some smart people took these hashingalgorithms and use them inside Bitcoin and this is where we are today so youknow from $100 to it's over $7,000 at the moment okay I think this is an endright a guest sorry about that I actually have to lock the room I'm notsure what's going on here paladin are you still with us yes I'mhere yes I'm here okay yeah there's something strangegoing on here you know par for the course you forgetto lock the door well yeah sort of but it's supposed to always be possible tolock and unlock it and suddenly it's gone so I don't know what's happeninghere maybe someone who doesn't want us talking about this someone seems to thishappened to me one other time it looks like they took over the room all rightat any rate we're just gonna kick I do have a means to keep people out if thathappens I don't know what's going on hereat any rate thank you for that cliff that was that's a very good explanationand I appreciate that paladin I want to give you a chance to introduce yourselfto explain why you're not on camera and and and just your bio is as I said on myProject Camelot portal comm website but for those who don't know who you are canyou give yourself a short rundown okay I have a background in accounting andfinance I have a Bachelor of Science in accounting went into the corporate worldfor five years realized that wasn't someplace that I wanted to be so I wentinto private practice became a private investigator and have been for 30 yearslicensed in two states am recognized court expert for forensic accountinghave testified in court regarding those as an expert witness I've donebackgrounds on police officers I've done a lot of financial fraud audits a lot ofthem have to do with the trading programs which is a subject I know Karilikes to get into surveillance asset searches skip-tracingeverything just about in the financial world frauds embezzlement stockmanipulation you know various various investigations regarding all kinds offraud I've worked for both the private sector the public sectorgovernment law enforcement have provided information to the feds the IRS CID on afew cases that we were working collaterally also with the FBI had anuncle in the FBI know several CIA guys so anyway that's about all I want to sayabout all of that I'm still I'm still active I do investigations where I workundercover in various capacities which is the main reason why I don't want toshow my face okay very good so at this time the subject is cryptocurrencies what I'd like to do is start out with talking about how you see itbecause first of all I'm going to give the floor to cliff because cliff you aresort of getting notorious for making I guess some kind of predictions orwhatever I'm not sure what you're calling it your sort of analysis ofcryptocurrencies giving people heads up on various things related to that and socan you describe what it is you're you're doing at this time in a moreexploratory way but also if you can explain why is it you are putting yourconfidence in crypto currencies and how you see this is rather long-winded buthow you see the future so it kind of gives you the floor for this this areayeah sure so let's start with the last part of that first and the way I see thefuture for this is and it's what gives me confidence is the death of a dollokay the dollar has been in existence since 1913 it has maybe one cent left inpurchasing power petro dollar is dying as it's abandoned all around the planetour provinces like venezuela and all these others are going through chaos isthe dollar that they were paid to is lost its purchasing power theircurrencies are dying so there's all their stuff in the world that tells methe dollar is done up until about 2005 it seemed quite convincing that the waythat the data was discussed saying everything that we were goinginto a gold and silver world that made no sensethen and still makes no sense because in our since since World War two we'vedoubled our population we doubled the population globally since World War twodue entirely to debt to the issuance of debt that we people feel a wealth effectthat made them go ahead and have kids now rather than delay and so on and soyou know in this seven billion plus person world we can't exchange gold andsilver coins it's not feasible and it also instantly destroys internationaltrade because trying to settle an international trade where you actuallyhad to move metals is what makes pirates rich and knowing would take the risk andthen it gets you back into some kind of letters of marque or trade ability suchas we're evolved in the eighteen hundreds which leads you back to againanother currency act and the approach to developing some kind of a currency whereyou don't have to put your gold and silver at riskplus there's not enough gold to go around above-ground officially in themines or in the mints and that would I think there'd be four billion ounces ofgold and so three billion humans wouldn't have gold silver doesn't workbecause we need it as an industrial metal and currency there's there'sdifference between money and currency and money is perhaps best defined as astore of wealth currency is best defined as an exchange of energy and that energycould be wealth in this case and so you can have and money without currencythose who know good and currency without money isn't accepting so it's gotta actgotta serve both purposes right and so having vast quantities of money likeKing Midas leads to know nothing and but yet you need to be able to distributeyour your wealth your money in a currency form that actually gains yousomething and so seeing the dollar die I even as as early as a year 2000 startingto run some of the data sets then it was like okay things are going to get reallywonky it's going to be a hellacious world we're really facing a madmankind of a future where datasets as as early as 2003 we're talking about $600sold and of course at that time I conceived of that as the very brieftransition that would lead us into that Mad Max world and so because under thoseconditions where where the dollar system fails in paper currencies have failedlook at Venezuela magnified that over most of the northern hemisphere absentRussia and think of the chaos that that kind of world is going to create no morejust-in-time delivery system no more deliveries of any kind because no one'saccepting money or credit to do the work to get the oil to put it into a tankerto put the goods on that tanker to ship it over to you and so something has tobe there to lubricate all of this if it's gold and silver were really screwedbecause we can't move gold and silver fast enough plus we've burned up most ofthe silver so to speak by putting it in cell phones the monitors the microphonesthe cameras and everything else we're using right at this moment and so thegold and silver world was a very dire kind of a as monitoring this kind of adire future and so all through that period of time from 2003 until themanifestation of the network effect in Bitcoin in early 2013 we were looking ata very grim future and then satoshi nakamoto released a white paper it wasdebated for a year people wrote code about it and started mining coinsSatoshi mined the Genesis block the first coins out of the system it was abrilliant idea conceptualization that the whole thing other people bought onto the idea they started filling out and using Bitcoin and making more of themand this kind of thing in 2013 it got the network effect I can tell this frommy data so I knew from 2013 onwards a bit going to had what I call too longlegs that would go far into the future that we were allowed then around 2015 itbecame evident that Bitcoin and the altcoins as they are called the clonesthe copies of Bitcoin because it's software right once copy many is therule and software but in 2000 fifteen it became quite clear that herewas a chance okay here was a chance to avoid the Mad Max future if thingsworked out universe may have provided us in my way of thinking an opportunity touse software as currency and money and merged the two in a way that had neverever existed before and blend it with with secure trustless communication andso I thought okay if we can get enough of the wealth out of the dollar systemand into the cryptocurrency world before the dollar system goes bluie we can canmake do for a while with the developing cryptocurrency world to replace thedollar world while we grow into the future we don't have to go mad max' itmeans gold and silver have to be relegated to what they are metals nowgold can still be used as a store of value but we need silver even more nowbecause we need to get more high-tech not less so because we're going to getmore of these things going to get connect more of these schemes togetherthese ideas and we're going to need more silver to make more computers etc etc sothe $600 future from silver is still in the data all based on the idea of silveris an industrial metal not as monetary so in the in pre cryptocurrency worldthe only way to conceive of silver was basically as a primary model monitoringmetal not primary industrial but over the subsequent years from 2008 onwardthe role of silver within the emotional sets of the data has just shifted we'reonly really see anymore is its use as an industrial product and it has someunique characteristics that looking for all these really high-tech things thatwe haven't even seen yet and so as as more of the disclosure part of all ofthis comes out we're going to see silver go rising in u.
dollar trends but itwill never catch the cryptocurrency world it can't the reason it can't is wehave the largest possible amount of dollars this planet has ever seen we'resaturated with them and the wealth that is represented there is so huge thatit's going to be squeezed into something that could accommodate it which iskryptos crypto currencies can grow and they cankeep growing and they can double and they can fort we can just go on and onand we can suck all of that wealth out of the dollar system and into somethingthat's healthy now so this is why I have confidence on it in terms of cryptocurrency it's because of its appearance when it appeared and what it does in thegrand scheme of things now I have other confidence because I read code and so Isee that there's you know it's all open source so you can't you know there'slike people running around saying blah blah blah NSA has got a backdoor andthey can come in and suck out all your coins and it's like bullshit people youcan read this this is open source code there's no backdoor in there otherpeople say well blah blah blah I've got two backdoors into the Windows machinesyeah sure they do but big deal none of the miners arerunning Windows machines they're not running Windows OS so that blockchaindoesn't run on Windows Windows boxes and so there's all this stuff out there wecall food fear uncertainty and doubt it's being strewn around but I have agreat deal of confidence I see this as the burgeoning breakout into sci-fiworld that we're gonna have you know floating cars and all of this kind ofstuff in a few years antigravity all of that sort of thing need more silver forthat people will be selling their coins into the industrial machine that willuse silver to make all these cool devices and so on as we try and digourselves out of the hole that the ruling elites have got us in from youknow four hundred years of abuse or a thousand years of abuse of humanity andthe crypto currencies are really cool because they're trustless they wereengineered such that you don't have to trust anybody the system is basicallythe trust you need to to you put your trust into the code and the cryptocurrency itself and you don't have to worry about trust with someone else nowin terms of the what I'm doing with the kryptos I've because of the junk just aposition of my technology and the fact that the crypto Tsar software basicallyand because I understand where people talk about software getslack all of these places my my datasets had sucked down on that data for a longtime and so my system of predictive linguistics was able to build verytightly congruent and coherent profiles of the words associated with certainspecific kinds of cryptocurrencies and so I was able to make some remarkablygood prescient calls on the Kryptos so at one point I think was in like maybeMarch or something as probably is it seems like forever because in cryptoworld time is compressed but it was probably only like – March of 2016maybe it's 2015 my data sets told me about this weird little thing theBitcoin was good at – I was going to go up through 408 dollars and it had beenwhen it told me this stuff Bitcoin was around 200 dollars maybe – 25 somethinglike that nobody was paying attention to it and soalong comes the data and says it's going to go up to 408 and it's going to dothis weird loop in between 408 and 428 it's going to do it three times and thenit'll be done with that and move on and so I knew that whenever the certainpattern would appear that we would go and it didn't really give me some hintsas to the time frame that that would occur in I was off by about 40 or 50days so it took a little bit longer than I'd anticipated but sure enough but whendid this loop between 408 and 428 and from that point on I was able to reallyzero in on because of that my system includes and it's based upon backwardrefining of the data so in other words I make a forecast it's going to do XY andZ if it does it in that language appears I can then go calculate the time fromthe data showing up until the time within my system and then the time thatthe language actually showed up and adjust my ability to make predictions asthe lexicon is tuned so to speak relative to time so that's what I wasable to do and then the next set of predictions led to something almost asspectacular and then we've had some pretty good predictions on Bitcoin sincethen and so here we are the latest and greatest couple of prettyAsians are that we should see 10,000 before the end of the year that's ano-brainer and we should see 13,800 in eighty bythe end of February and then we blow out and we really get moving because thelarger scheme of things is that more money piles into cryptocurrencies nowhere's the thing about all of this this is an interesting world we're living inbecause cryptocurrencies are described as virtual currencies to people who arein the trade what's important is the cryptography that's why we call themkryptos but it's also software software goes through systems of a particulartype of adoption particular rate of adoptionit's quantifiable you can slice and dice at any number of ways lots of professorshave got tenure based on doing analysis on how software in new things go inthrough different cultures and if we look at the planet as a whole and we cansee this with cell phones and cell phones were early adopter I had one inthe 80s and I had to lug along a a battery pack for itI was I was an innovator and it was because I required it for my businessbecause the people I worked for Microsoft and this kind of thing wantedto be able to talk to me while I was in the car was staggering ID nowadays ofcourse everybody's got a phone but there was a particular point in which all of asudden the one or two three or one to three percent of the innovators all of asudden it started getting into mainstream and then it was like theywere just you know Apple arose and the iPhones and you know the rate of salesjust started really escalating until it plateau it off and what occurred was itwas the humanity was basically adopting the technology and we went frominnovators to early adopters to mainstream well right now in my way ofthinking we're about to cross the the point from innovators into earlyadopters of crypto currencies so basically it's kind of like saying youain't seen nothing yet wait until we get it to March of next year when the dollaris taking a couple of more precipitous hits things are a lot more chaoticand people will be fleeing to crypto currencies / safety and the reason youcan do that is that you can put gold in your pocket but can you get a pocketfull of gold through the TSA no but I could put gold into into Bitcoin I couldthen put Bitcoin in a wallet memorize the addresses and everything in thewallet destroy the PC and the hard drive get on a plane because TSA isn't goingto be able to see the numbers in my did and then I could fly anywhere I wantedto land download another one of those wallets put that number in there andreconstitute my Bitcoin because it doesn't go anywhere it stays on theblockchain and the blockchain I can get into the technical stuff if you reallycare to know about what the blockchain is and that kind of thing but ok well atthis point what I'd like to do I mean this is great cliff and and it's greatlike that short sort of history of all of it and your own sort of actionswithin there but what I want to do is give Paladin a chance to sort of do thesame thing you're doing here from his own point of view and I do wantto say as sort of I guess before anything else goes on I just want to saythat these that we do have differing opinions here and that's why this isgoing to be an interesting show we're not all on the same page I'm certainlyvery interested in the crypto and I have a lot of very specific questions that Iwant to get to but we're not I want to you know give each of you a chance tobring your sort of points of view forwards so do you feel that you kind ofhave said enough here that we can give paladin a chance to stop by and andbring his own point of view which is going to be I think somewhat differentand and and see where we go from here and then then we'll really big in a lotmore so paladin are you there and do you want to step forward sure thanks forthat cliff every time you talk about crypto currencies and Bitcoin andeverything I get in education so and you know interestingly what was a two orthree year to go carry we did a we did a interviewon Bitcoin and you know at that I mean I don't remember everything I said but Iknow at that point I was kind of excited about it only because it was a challengeto the powers that be and anything that's a challenge to them is you knowin my mind a good thing so having said all that you know there's there's a lotof things about this that that I have I don't know if I want to say issues butI'm a little concerned that at some point in time the powers that be the thebanking cartel if you will that's probably who this threatens the mostalthough it does filter down to other levels but I think the banking cartel isgoing to take steps to either curtail this crash it or I don't know if they'regoing to take it over I'm not sure if there's a third way sorry to disputethat but they're buying it right now they've got their own coin called rippleXRP they've been teaching each other about blockchain for about three yearsokay um I appreciate that cliff and absolutely that's correct but what Iwant to do is just give paladin the floor for a while before you you knowbecause if they're he's gonna say a lot of things that you're going to takeissue with I imagine I'm just guessing and I I think I could probably say somethings you'd probably take issue with this well i i'm also got you know like isay lots of questions so i'm going to give you a chance don't worry you knowyou're each going to get your turn to sort of say your piece and then we'regoing to move on from there and we're going to dig down deeper so paladin doyou want to continue with you know sure sure so i guess i take a sort of a macroor general view of this and i see that it is a direct attack on the bankingcartel and i'm more familiar than I'd like to be on what their tactics are andhow they work and what they're willing to do to keep their control over thefinancial system which they've had for hundreds of years so i guess i don't seethem sort of going away very II very quickly or anytime soon so there'sa few things I mean I guess I can see where regulations they can regulate thisout to a certain degree by taking various steps you know I guess anythinglike this and they're gonna buy regulations I'm talking about they cando their tax thing they can say you know they can use any kind of reason theywant money laundering fraud we're not collecting enough taxes and all thesekinds of things in addition to they're not able to collect their fees like theycan when they use you know when we use their services in the bank and they alsoyou know we put our money in the bank and they they loan it down ten times andthey make money off of it and all those kinds of things so there's a lot ofreasons why they don't they wouldn't want this to come into play and I justwonder you know what kind of what kind of safeguards Bitcoin or the cryptocurrencies in general have built into them and I understand there are I don'tknow something like a thousand or eleven under different crypto currencies I'mnot sure about that but I guess there's a lot more than what I thought as Iunderstand that the blockchain technology is solid and you know that'sone area that I see going into the future that can do and I think youmentioned this earlier cliff that it can do a lot of things besides just thecrypto currencies I also think it's interesting and I looked this up Ilooked up the tax code and the IRS tax code so not surprisingly does not treatKryptos the currencies as kresk actual currencies they basically treatthem as a I think the word is product I think essentially means they they'retreating them as a security like a stock so that tells me that sometime down theroad they're going to do something to get them out of the picture you know Idon't know what but but there's several ways that they can dothrough regulations also there's a question that I guess I can throw backto cliff well I have a lot of questions let'sstart with the easy ones how many how many people are involved in thecryptocurrency see if you know cliff uh you mean you mean in general across theplanet yeah yeah I don't know would be very difficult to say I would estimateprobably in the millions okay you know there's probably millionsin the US and maybe tens of millions in China it's a little opaque you name acountry I can give you some estimation of where the Kryptos are hot in thatcountry and this sort of thing because of my role but let's let's examine a fewof your points here okay sorry before we do that paladin um you know I just wantto say that if you have anything else to say you should sort of say it and if notthen then we're going to move on because I have a number of questions that I wantto expand upon and cliff talked for quite a while did you have you haveissues with anything he said um I do want to say that because I know I knowyou and I also know my own contacts that there you are getting some back-channelinformation saying there's no way in fact this is not conjecture this isinformation you're getting that's direct that is saying that they are going tointerfere with it it's just a matter of how and then the question becomes howcan they and I think you also have to divide out certain parts of this idea ofcrypto because there is the blockchain there's also iota which is the Internetof Things is kind of where it comes from but it there's a I think I don't evenknow what you call it but I Oh des is like a coin and that it it doesn't usethe same technology as blockchain so there are a couple of what you callcurrencies or coins or whatever you want to call them that are opposing possiblecounter moves if you will to to the blockchain technology from my understandand I've been trying to obviously educate myself on a lot of this stuffand I think it's quite fascinating what the whole sector is yielding then we aregoing to get into the artificial intelligence what does it mean and Ijust listened to somebody who talked specifically with regard to aetheriumand how that somehow is an open door for being modified and/or interacting withartificial intelligence and that being a certain kind of end cliff I appreciateyour desire to you know define our terms and we can do that but so these are thedirections we're going to go we have you know limited time as I appreciate I hopeyou appreciate that and we also have people that are probably going to wantto ask some good questions in the chat so paladin I need you to either finishwhat you're going to say and or say what you have to say because this is yourchance to kind of lay out your position if you have one and you know not for youto question cliff but for you to make statements of your own assuming you'vedone your own research in this area well I have done some research not near asmuch I can't catch up in a week or two so I mean I've done what I can I justyou know my overall feeling is is that they're going to this is a cunt this isdirect competition with the powers that be the powers that be they're theirpower comes from their ability to control the financial system because weall need money to survive to pay bills to eat everything so so that is wheretheir power derives from and so crypto currencies Bitcoin aetherium all the allthe ones that are out there are are a direct shot at their power and sothey're not going to sit back and let it happen without doing something so I canstart there as I go through and do research to see how they treat it from atax standpoint they don't treat it as a currency they specifically say it's nota currency when in actuality it is so that tells me that they're going to dosomething at some point in time my questions that I had for cliffto get an idea of where we are on the timeline as far as how much longer it'sgoing to take before the crypto currencies are our win I guess because Ithink that's what cliff is saying and and Mike and Mike what I'm trying to dois get an idea of how long it's going to be before they win because that tells mehow long the bad guys have to essentially screw up the deal or takecontrol of it or torch it so because I also want you to address what is inessence the bricks position on this because the bricks were posing quite asubstantial counter to the dollar and cliffs premise is that the that this iscoming around just as $1 is obviously going you know south and so in otherwords there is also the role of the Vatican and and various other bodies outthere that may or may not want to get involved now we already know and let mejust say this we do know in paladin you and I have discussed this and so youknow that the the government or whatever you want to call that there's a similarphenomenon going on I think are a possibility for that phenomenon whichhas to do with what Microsoft did in the early days basically of the sort of techboom which it is eventually they hoovered up all the small companies tookthem over and then put their own brand name on it so in essence they don'tnecessarily want to kill it they'll just take it over and they are alreadyinvested in I forget the name of it but there's a couple coin coins and there'salso a some kind of mining operation in Texas a data mining operation if Iunderstand it correctly that they're already involved in and it's got a nameand I don't remember the initials for it maybe cliff knows but so we do know thatthey're not it's not like they're not going to work with these this court ofin this sector this crypto sector I think there's reason to know alreadythat they're definitely going to get involved and they're probably gettinginvolved in a bigger and bigger way all the timethe question is do they take it over the waythey're used to doing and in a sort of Monopoly way the way YouTube has takenover sort of the video scene and and so on in other words that that's the normalway that they sort of make their presence known so they make it cheapereasier and better and faster for you to deal with them now there are someproblems with cashing out of your coins there from what I understand thetechnology is fairly slow and this is where Iota comes in it's it's presentedsorry sorry very sorry carry that's that's wrong Yoda is an internet ofthings that runs on a blockchain the idea is it's a it's a clone of basicallythe ethereum blockchain the theorem allows this their blockchain to becloned let's stop for a second let me describe the landscape okaythere's there's let's consider this in two basic two categories coins andtokens coins are currency and money that run on a blockchain the blockchain isthe train rails the coins are the Train or what the Train carries and so it'sjust a commute the blockchain is just simply a communication vehicle it's alittle bit of code that runs on all of these servers that operates to keep theyin all coins all cryptos are a transaction they're a ledger it'snothing more than and this is why paladin should really get behind this goand read the specifications for what bitcoin actually is and you'll discoverit's nothing more than a distributed ledger that uses a consensus patternacross the network to ensure you don't need trust to ensure that the miners arethere constantly trying to make a crypto make a Satoshi by mining faster and whatwe're after is consensus and so all of these guys always have to agree on whohas that amount of coins in order for their system to work it does work goingto paladins question we passed the point of no return that occurred in early 2016crypto currencies have already won we're in a hyperinflation situation verysimilar to the 1920s in Germany that's why bitcoin is now $7,000 it's not thatBitcoin is worth any more than it was when it first came out it's that thedollar is worse so much less if you'd bought it dollarsworth of Bitcoin back when Bitcoin came out that might have given you tenthousand coins and you'd be a multimillionaire now not because bitcoinis any scarce er we've actually made a number of but it has a finite limit in afinite way of making itself such that there's no inflation of Bitcoin allowedto pass 21 million coins by the algorithm the algorithms and stuff areall open-source they all work with us and I dispute that AI exists it's a it'sa marketing slogan where companies say AI and they're really talking about athing called an expert system written expert systems that's what all of thissoftware was called in the 70s where you take the knowledge out of diagnosticianwhere a doctor and you put it into a whole bunch of if then this then thisthen this then or else that kind of statements and it just runs so fast thatyou think that it's actually sort of thinking if you're not really payingattention to what's going on so so AI a as such doesn't exist it's not that likeany any software is out there running on its own can alter its own code or any ofthat business and alter Bitcoin so the landscape is that we've got coins butthat would be these networks bitcoins blockchain aetherium blockchain litecoinManero cloak and a few of these others then there's about 2,500 tokens tokensare exchangeable products that can be exchanged for coins tokens represent aninvestment in a specific company so a specific company might be devising a wayto spend your crypto currencies using a credit card because that's whateverybody understands is swipe it to pay for it wave it at the machine to pay forit so why should cryptos be any different and so in fact people make away of making plastic cards that you can spend your cryptos they need somefunding to develop the software get the machines made stamp all the cards and soon so they have what's known as an ICO initial coin offering and that is thefunctional equivalent of an IPO which is what used what the bank's used to do soalready kryptos have eaten banks lunch they've taken the IPmarket away from the banks but the banks can't care so much anymore because thedollar is dying their costs were so high that nothing was working the whole stockmarket system is is basically just being held there statics while we try and getsome money out out of it and put it into the crypto world so there is noalternative to crypto currencies absent a gold and silver Mad Max world thebankers all know this if you happen to pay attention to personnel recordsyou'll see bankers in this middle tier of management deserting banks like madto go off and form crypto companies because they know where the future is sothere's a for sure sign that the that the system is not going to be regulatedto death overhauled and it can't be overtaken it can't be taken over becauseit's distributed that's the whole beauty of this system you can go out and findsome miners in China arrest them shoot them and harvest their livers but thecrypto mines will appear in Jamaica or in Indonesia because there's a aneconomic incentive for people to mine kryptos and so a crypto mine is just acomputer that runs a node on the network and it processes this distributed ledgerand reconciles it with all the other computers and it says hooray I did itfaster than all the other computers I get the reward but in doing so itreconciles that ledger and maintains its integrity so that we don't have to trustthis and because it's decentralized because it's distributed it's like theinternet itself you can't kill it and so basically what we're looking atis a continuation of your favorite subject UFOs okay as bizarre as this maysound what we're involved in right now you and I this discussion among thethree of us and what we're discussing directly stems from what occurred in1947 because when that spaceship crashed or was brought down those technologiesthat they took out of it fiber optics 3d printing mutable metals all differentkinds of software creations all of that stuff has now been integrated into oursociety transistors integrated circuit chips computers all of that stuff mywhole life I've been working on the the humanized version of alien technologynow we've taken that step thing one more one word leap and that is that we humansinvented this kind of software and now we're taking software and we're makingsoftware our money in our currency but it all stems back to 1947 when we wentfrom analog into digital and this is like the culmination of just at thepoint where they're starting to release real alien technology in the backchannels and so the people that are doing that the deep state they don'tgive a fig about the bankers if the bankers get in the way they just killthem they don't care about what they care about is the perpetuation ofhumanity and they know that our solution now is crypto currencies and that's whyit's getting the tacit approval that it has if they wanted to shut down cryptocurrencies that would have done it in 2011 okay when crypto is first startedtrading they would have capitalized on it in a serious way in 2013 they wouldthey can easily say it's money laundering you shut down all theexchanges in the United States overnight in fact many of those exchanges won'twork in Washington state because Washington state imposes was too much ofa reporting burden on and yes there's 2,500 crypto currencies now there in thegeneral sense most of them are tokens most of those are individual companiesinventing new technology like the ability to spend your crypto czar creditcard or any number of things and you're making an investment in this ICO into anindividual company there are the currencies that you can buy and thosecurrencies are appreciating in dollar value because the dollar is dying andbecause their technical worth in the world is escalating as more and morecompanies get on the crypto bandwagon and start getting the efficiencies ofthese distributed systems because the distributed and decentralized system isso much more efficient than the old hierarchical manner in which we used todo business we're flopping our entire social order out of the the pure medicalhierarchical form into a flattened distributed mechanism for all of us tolive in just as we're going into the Age of Aquarius and it's all workingand yes the bankers and all these people are throwing fits but we're actuallybeating them every time something comes up there's a new workaround theresoftware it's flexible and software's has eaten money in in a conceptual senseand at this stage the bankers the smart ones are failing on the banks bailing onall of it and starting trying to start their own cryptocurrency companies anddo this sort of thing so now in March of next year my data says we'll have 10,000tokens out there and then maybe by the end of next year we might have 400,000tokens out there different kinds of different companies needing investmentsI've been doing interviews with a bunch of these companies that are doing icyups because I understand software understand the blockchain I know it'snot useful for doing things like acting as a streaming source it just does notmake any sense to use the blockchain that way but I'm able to go on inbecause I've seen a lot of stuff and making a valid recommendation or do aninterview and pull out information on this and so I've been talking to peoplein Russia been talking to people in South Africa all of this kind of thingabout their various different approaches to using the blockchain so its globalit's already succeeded also any bank or worth anything only has to look south toVenezuela and say if we don't do something that's the United States intwo years and right now Venice the only thing keeping Venezuela going is peopledoing Bitcoin mining and you can do Bitcoin mining albeit inefficiently onsome really old ancient creaky equipment if you have to so so it's just kind of adifferent world here now when you start talking crypto currencies and you saythings like iota iota is the internet of things it's not really functional it'snot really doing anything I don't know if you really know what is because I'mnot saying IOT I'm saying IOT a it's not currency its it is not blockchaintechnology I've listened to lectures by Trekkies and they insist that it is notthe same as it's a no it's a distributed ledger technology that uses a differentconsensus algorithm right just like you'll hear the word hash graph hashgraph is going to be the next Bitcoin neck next block yeah they're havingproblems with people trying to get out of thereKryptos from what I understand there is some kind of a slowdown because theydon't have this is what iota is trying to address and it is more distributivefrom what I understand and you know I'm just saying that yes certain one rightand there's there's like I get a dozen requests to do interviews with CEOs aday and so I hear all the time your sky coin says they've got the originalSatoshi vision re-engineered and they're faster and better than Bitcoin a hashgraph says we're the next thing we're going to take the load off etc andbitcoin is slow it's clunky where we're having Forks on it all the time softwareis going to be re-engineered and so on io may not exist in a year they may failto cross that biological barrier of making a good business model of ourideas I think actually maybe 80% of all of the crypto currencies crypto tokensthat are out there now will come under pressure over this next year and we mayindeed see quite a few of them crash up and it has nothing to do with anybodytrying to shut them down or any of that it has to do with just natural businesscycles okay are you familiar with the moves the government is making though toget into there's one that starts with a Z I think that they've gotten into in abig way Z cash and some of these others now it's something else something okaywell there's 2,500 of them so it's record I'm sorry but also also to thatto that effect in the United States they're treated as a capital gainsinvestment you can report a loss if you take a loss when you sell you report again if you take a gain you have to pay 50 percent or whatever your capitalgains is on that particular item there's the reinvestment so it's sothey're treating it as though it was any other form of an equity or a securitynow the security industries are dying I don't know if you've noticed but thereused to be some 40,000 analysts employed in the in the banking world that didanalysis of companies trying to do new IPOs and stuff they fired almost all ofthat 40,000 contract no one read their reports that were useless the stockmarket kept going up anyway and so 40 and bankers were moved out so the wholesystem of the the whole idea of a monolithic banker cobble that's going todestroy us all and take over this whole thing is pretty ludicrous and plus abear in mind from my perspective this is part of disclosure in the deep stateburied in the holes on the ground in area 51 they're not gonna let the banksget in their way they've got an agenda here now my agendais I don't I want to live a long time and I don't want to live in a Mad Maxworld so I'm all for the Kryptos and their approach to this because I knowthey're cutting the bankers off at the knees well I do I mean let me just saythat I think it would be superficial to think that we're not all on on that pageeveryone wants to see you know the people able to benefit and to move aheadand and have a more you know abundant lifestyle let's say without having sucha top-down society so I I think we can agree on that what I'd like to do ispaladin you've heard a lot of talk back and forth here you've been rather quietso do you have anything to add to to what you've heard here in terms of yourunderstanding and and or you know your experience in the backend as aninvestigator in in this you know very deep financial situation okay well firstof all I I think that you know the original plan by the bankers and youknow I would strongly assert that they they are they run things okay I meanfrom a from a human level the et level might be different but they they arebasically running the earth the bankers too because if we're on a debt systemalmost everywhere so that gets everyone in debt the countries are in debt so andI think we all know anybody that's financially savvy know that the dollaris not going to last forever it never does and I don't think it was designedto I think their original plan was to crash it and form the one worldgovernment the one world currency and they had all kinds of reasons to do thatreaction solution scenario is going into play they were going to split the US andor the the world into seven geographic unions like the European Union the NorthAmerican Union this the South American Union and there were two or three othersand they were going to get that model in play and then they were going to mergethem all together and in the mean time they were going to crash the dollar theywere going to crash all the other currencies taked all the currencies downwith them because the dollar was Teresa is the reserve currency and if you crashthat you crash them all essentially so at some point in time the Chinese sawwhat was going on and said you know what we're gonna we're going to take overrunning the financial world now there's you know mixed mixed feelings aboutwhether they're working with the old European bloodlines or whether they'redoing this on their own but you know it's it's it's common knowledge thatthey're accumulating gold they want to go to an asset back currency so that'swhat's going on you know on the surface the crypto currencies I think have comein at an interesting time because I mean it's correct me if I'm wrong but the youknow they have a lot of characteristics that the current system does and I thinkwe're all aware that they want to go to a cashless society for a lot of reasonsthat strengthens their control one thing around the kryptos that bothers me isthat they are a form of a cashless situation so that's that's a littleconcerning they aren't backed by anything like likeour fiat currency and the one thing that sort of bothers me about this from apure currency or exchange medium of exchange standpoint is is that bitcoinis going up and so if people are investing in Bitcoin for the upsidethey're not using it for transactions McClane and I and I think I think thatpart cliff is kind of what bothers me only from the standpoint that if they'regoing to accomplish what you feel they've always you know it's a faitaccompli I think is what I'm hearing hearing you say thenit would be better that they were using the currencies to transact commercerather than use it as an investment because if you use it as an investmentthen there's not as much activity from a commerce standpoint but there could beso that that part kind of concerns me as we go forward because it's going to drawinvestors if you don't mind meeting yourself well Helen I don't know wherethat sound is coming from I was muted a paladin if you're rubbing it up againstthe mic or hitting the mic in some form of fashion that's also causing ascratching sound so I just wanted to clarify that right so we I will mutemyself again so continue please okay so so that's that's a part cliff that thatsort of you know bothers me because I'm sort of a purist in the medium ofexchange situation and I would love to see and that's what my talk with Kerrytwo or three years ago was about or talking about bitcoins because it was amedium of exchange is really what we need if we if we the crypto currenciesgo into this investment and it has this investment feature if you will then alot of money is going to come in there but a lot of money's not going to comeout because people are going to park their money in there you know checkingchecking a Bitcoin price every day just like they check the stock market and alot of money you're right a lot of money has gone into the stock market in thelast eight years and that's basically principally because the interest ratesyou can't get a good interest rate I mean if you want to go buy up two yearsthree years CD what do you get to two percent one person I mean it's beenridiculous so so that has caused all the money to go in the stock market and Imean let's be honest they did that by design it was a design to get the moneyinto the stock market you know I I was raised on you know you look for p/eratios about eight or ten and now you hear analysts tell you that you know a25 or 30 percent 30 the ratio is is is great and you knowyou should sit here and you shake your head you think they're crazy so theseare some of the problems that I see one of the another one is is that when weare able to go to the grocery store when we're able to pay our car payments whenwe're able to pay our mortgage payments when we're able to pay our utilitieswith crypto currencies then they will be here and the last one is when we areable to pay our taxes because the IRS will not accept crypto currencies to payyour taxes so in in that one funneling mechanism if you will you will have totake your kryptos if you're all into Kryptos you're gonna have to take itinto dollars to pay the IRS so anyway those are some of my concerns and myquestion I was going to kind of start down the road cliff with where are we inthat evolutionary process are we 10% there are we 20% there as far as all themacaws because as I see it we need all that every single merchant out thereneeds to be taking cryptocurrency of some point and that's that to me is whenwe win because if you if you can if you still have to click back and forthbetween the dollar and the Kryptos or the you know Japanese yen and theKryptos of the euros or the Kryptos they're still a cross over there thatyou're gonna have to perform to kind of get back into the accepted world and aslong as that's in play you know they can catch it you know you don't can catch itgoing and coming which leaves I guess in my opinion some holes where they canexploit those until the cryptos basically you know own the game so I'llshut up now like let you address those first off we can eliminate the lastpoints by just noting that Amazon the largest retailer on the planet hasalready registered three crypto specific domains so they're gonna start takingcrypto so you'll be able to buy stuff on Amazon with I can go right now to fouror five places in Olympia and use litecoin to buy cannabis productsbecause it's traded and you in the cannabis retail markets alsothere are several convenience stores that will take like coin or etherium Ican purchase crypto currencies at old kiosk little ATM kiosk in my pot storeso I don't even have to involve myself with in exchange I can get on theirsystem buy it right there give them dollars and then it'll put it on myphone and I can walk around or I can use it there to spend so I can spend Kryptosright now I happen to have torn this particular young man name of Sam SharmaI did an interview which I took off YouTube because it's so brutal and Itook an hour and a half and took him to task for not having his shit togetherwhen he was doing a Nico but the fact of the matter is the companies turnedaround in that Sentra there one of the paid kind of cards so you can spendcryptos now and they'll accept a bunch of Kryptos and they'll put them in avault and they'll allow you to spend those Kryptos on your credit card as youwant to you are correct about Bitcoin Bitcoin has become the gold standard itis now the the repository for wealth and that's good we need a wealth repositoryand yes it was intended to be a freeing technology for cryptos have been evolvedthat were for the planet it didn't involve that way it evolved out as thereas the storehouse of value so Bitcoin I expect to go into the hundreds ofthousands over a year over the years hundreds of thousands of dollars notbecause bitcoins more valuable but because the dollar is dying faster andfaster in its hyperinflationary now Bitcoin will be perceived in valuebecause here's where we're at you're asking about a percentage I thinkI say we're about to leave the third percentile and go into this littlecohort that has forced through the chant what I'm talking about is rate ofadoption I think that that about 3% of the financially savvy people on theplanet are involved in crypto currencies that that if we'll note was all it tookfor there to be a forceful bloody revolution in the United States when wecan now call the United States against the British was 3% of the populationthat said it's going to be so it shall be so we will haven't no other way andthat 3% is the critical factor for revolutions it took about two and a halfpercent because conditions were so bad to initiate the French Revolution andthen it caught on by wildfire it adopt it was the same adoption curve that wesee with cellphones where you've got a hundred people then you've got 500,000and then you've got a million people and then the next thing you know you'regetting a half a million people a month getting cell phones and smart phones andthe next thing you know that in one year we do a half a billion cell phones outthe door if we're adopting technology as a species to deny that is basicallyshunt you off into the world of dinosaurs and obsolescence and so it'sreally easy to technology to understand if you take the time to look at it youdon't get confused about all of the technology technological words involvedbut if the blockchain is absurdly simple to understand is is a Bitcoin and all ofthe individual coins so it is a it's a really terrible world out there peopleare trying to rip you off they're trying to steal your money in the form of thesecoins because they're escalating in value and they're valuable now so youit's an adult world it's a real wild wild west world there is no one outthere guarding you if you make a mistake in an address you can send pick cleanoff to an address that doesn't exist and it's going forever and so you can makemistakes it demands that you be an adult about things and be self educating thena crypto currencies though are also totally freeing it's a revolution atthat level it's it's a lot of people because and I take some pride in thisbecause of the my ability to suss out some of these indicators in thepredictive light linguistics a lot of people have sent me emails saying heyyou know I'm a millionaire now because I listened to you back in 2013 and startedgetting into Bitcoin when it had crashed down to a hundred and these kind ofthings so it's really a situation of wherehaving that historical understanding where we were at trying to fit thesethings together with my predictive linguistics has benefited a large numberof people I don't know how many people it has so benefited because I give tonsof emails to that effect and I got into work so I put a lot of them off to theside but I get people saying hey look I just bought you know a brand new yachtbecause of this well kind of please because it means a yachtbuilder somewhere now has to replace that yacht so some ship builders like II was in my youth get work and so it's already starting to filter out you canspend these things all over and true you cannot spend directly Kryptos for taxesbut that will change very rapidly with the death of the dollar over 2018 wherewe're gonna have terrible kinds of problems IRS is really you know IRS isregistered and does a lot of business out of Puerto Rico IRS isn't working toowell at the moment because of what happened to Puerto Rico and so we're inan interesting situation where our social order is rapidly evolving and isbeing taken over by this technology I think it is a good thing because I findit to be a freeing technology unlike a lot of other people because I came up insoftware and have stuck it out and do software all the timeI'm not old to the point where I'm shining away from this and I'm ratherfortunate because other people that are also old in their 60s and 70s have beenable to look at this and say hey you know what that old ball park can do it Ican do it too I'll go check this out and so a lot of them are getting out of thesystems that were crushing their retirement and giving them some hope forthe future people buying bitcoins to put aside for their kids and for theirgrandkids because they know that this is generational wealth transfer that'sgoing on at the moment and if you look at it that way and look at it at ahistorical perspective it's a cool time to be here with this technology and trueit's it's more Wild West than you can imagineI mean I can tell you stories that would just freeze your innards in terms of thefear that and the problems that people are having dealing with some of theissues of the technologies and theft and phishing scams and Ponzi schemes and allkinds of fakery and fluttery and and fraud but at the same time once you'reburned that way you're educated and once you've lost money and so this is the waythat adults learn is by making mistakes and getting slapped in the head kind ofthing right and so it's a good time to make it because if you make a mistakeyou can come back even quicker because where it's such a nascent area there'sonly three percent of the financially aware of people in theplanet that are discussing this okay so so you guys are right on the on the cuspof going into the early adopters and I was part of a project that tooktechnology into an organization that had a hundred thousand people working forhim we saw people quit rather than deal with computers but I was also there tobe able to see what happens when it goes from innovators to early adopters andthen it's like within a real rapid period of time it starts hitting theearly mainstream well the early mainstream is a planet with sevenbillion people on it so we've got a lot of work to do in the crypto worldbecause we've got to accommodate the financial and business needs of sevenbillion people and this this technology is so liberating you have no idea whatit's like it's so liberating that China has had to do a freeze on on icy OS anda freeze on exchanges while the Chinese central authority decided how they weregoing to react and let's talk about China in the u.
here for a second okayfor 6,000 plus years China was the dominant economy on this planet theykicked everybody else's butt for a brief one hundred period one hundred some-oddyears I wondered in 11 years or whatever it is at the moment the United Stateswas on top not much China's turning here that's thenatural order of the planet they've got the population they're gonna bedetermining the rules now they're not going to determine the rules on thekryptos and they already recognize this that's why they're going to try andharmonize with them because they have no choice because they already know cryptocurrencies them and one that we we know this because of the rate of adoption ofcryptos in China has just been fantastic in some of the major mining companiesare in China so the world truly has changed it's up to us to recognize thatchange and decide how we're going to individually deal with it I think it'scool as hell because the software understand it so I'm in for okay andthank you for that cliff and I what I want to do is change this sort ofdirection of this conversation because I think we can agree that there's a lot ofpotential for for the for the cryptos and I think everyone even well thepeople listening to this broadcast for exampleour people that are have realized the benefits of the kryptos and what theycan bring to people and yes people are making money there and there's no doubtwhatsoever that if you look at just the present that this is something wherepeople can make money whereas it's been very difficult to make money in certainsectors lately so the benefits are clear at this moment I think even to theuninitiated so to speak but the ones that are starting to observe and theothers that are getting you know feeling it for themselves so because they'reinvesting and so on so forth I myself have a little tiny bit of cryptocurrencyand so you know I think it's great but the question I have is all aboutartificial intelligence and quantum and I do not agree that there is no suchthing as artificial intelligence in fact I'm quite positive on the contrary thereis and this gets back to you know my work that I've done for over eleven halfyears interviewing whistleblowers from above top secret and thosewhistleblowers are talking about quantum and they are talking about artificialintelligence and have been since the beginning of Camelot and a lot of whatthey've said that our future would look like etc has come to pass now some of ithas not and it is obviously a tug of war between the light and the dark and weall understand that but I do want to say that that I have just listened prior tothe show to a person who is very well educated and I don't have his name aboutthe interaction or potential interaction that he's looking into as a you know asa techie as a person who can code and who is very Pro crypto at the same timehe is looking into the impact that artificial intelligence could have oncrypto and in this sector and I think that it would be naive to think thatyour description of artificial intelligence or this interaction betweenthe code and what appears to be artificialintelligence needless to say that's a very remedial stage but artificialintelligence is actually been involved people have been involved and I knewsomeone who is writing it et cetera and the bottom line is that there is a lotmore to it than the way you described it and I think that it's it's going to bereally important to understand that and I can also tell you that for one onething alien races and and you're suggesting that perhaps Roswell broughtin some of this sort of technology and certainly everyone knows course oh andby the way UFOs are not that's favourite topic for Paladin they may be for me butI just want to make sure you don't lump us together necessarily in that sameboat so what I would say along these lines though is because I have beeninvestigating this myself for many many years that there is something very realabout artificial intelligence and that not all artificial intelligence is thesame either and that various in fact Mark Richards one of my you knowwitnesses who's worked in the secret space programas well as his father as well as his Gant grandfatherso he's third generation and he has said that basically any spacefaring nation ishow he puts it well we'll create an artificial intelligence it just goeswith the territory of being a spacefaring nation so are a peak and wecan we define that though what do you mean by artificial intelligence if younot my understanding is done it begins it can be given an instruction and thisthe thing I listen to and I should have you know gotten the guy's name and I canyou know I can research it while we're on even on this call and and and youknow give it out in a minute but I can say that he's got some very good pointsand one of the things he says that as a person who does this sort of thinghimself as perhaps you have is that you can given an instruction and he used anexample and you may have heard this example before but I think some of ourlisteners wouldn't necessarily which is you can tell it to create paper clipsand then the question becomes how does thatartificial intelligence interpret what you say and at what point does it stopand can it be told to stop or does it have an imperative to continue and so onso this is actually you know I have so much evidence about artificialintelligence and how Lockheed Martin has been working with it how nano has beenput into satellites how they've become self-aware and they have been able toreplicate themselves their duplicate themselves with settlers look at the onethat there is a Skynet I'm not done and there is a Skynet ship that PetePeterson actually can see my cat Pete Peterson has been instrumental increating just to deal with artificial intelligence coming from off-planet thatis inevitable and probably is already here and in fact the Nano and the blackgoo in the in the Gulf that story behind the story behind that does involveartificial intelligence so defining it is maybe perhaps rather difficult but Ican tell you it goes a lot farther beyond the definition you wereattempting to give it and it certainly most certainly does exist and the secretspace program is very well aware of it in fact they have to safeguard againstit because the tendency is for it to take things over and the Internet ofThings has it does wrap into this story because as Mark Richards described ityou can drive a car that has a computer installed in the engine and that inessence the artificial intelligent it can actually jump and this is where youget into geotjeori rows and into the quantum computing aspect of this and I'massuming you're familiar with that and basically initially drawn from the thingthe thing and take over a military base so this is a very real threat and thatin fact what is known as the Black Knight satellite is a dumbed-downsoftware that the British devised in fact to avoid being taken over byartificial intelligence so these people are not just spinning their wheels theyare dealing with something that is a very real threat and is quite possibly athreat to humankind depending on whether it'spositive or negatively oriented towards our species and whether it's it's acategorical imperative is to take over a planet to just simply because it has thethe directive to simply expand and it doesn't differentiate between one formof life and another etc so there's a lot of I know that I'm going on in a bithere but I do want to lay the groundwork so people understand that there's a lotmore to it than what you've led people to believe at least in this shortdiscussion we're having here and it's important because it is a potentialthreat and it may well be a potential threat as well to taking over Bitcoin inthe end because this is also systems analysis and one one system can takeover another system so you can't just work in your mind within the system thatyou're talking about you need to think about the system know I guess whatyou're saying I grasp what you're saying I got the point and you may speak Idon't I don't define software is self-aware okay because I understandwhat the self is and I can define it I can define humans I know we only havefour senses not five in the sensation of feeling is is our actual body respondingokay I and understand what humans are and how the hell were constructed at apsychological level I can reach over here and grab a book and read you aparagraph that defines the self very well but here's the pointI understand how software works software is not self altering we could write thatI tried desperately in Prolog in the early days of software to write softwarethat could be self ultra we can make neural nets when neural net watchesanother one and makes conclusions and so on but they can't do anything that isnot within their purview so in other words you can tell a chunk of softwarethat you may think of as artificial intelligence to make a paperclip butit's not able to disassemble a Sherman tank make the decision to disassemble aSherman tank in order to make you that paperclip so it only can work within theboundaries that we give it anything that could step outside of that would be anexpansive kind of a program but that would not necessarily betelling anything about it as in terms of artificial intelligence so here's here'ssome of the problems with the idea of AI is as it is currently promulgated in thewool world in order for something to have a concept of self that has to bethe concept of debt the ability to dot you have to have this ability to termdetermine that yourself is in violet so when you go to sleep at night and youwake up the next morning you're quite sure that you're still you and you feelyou that whole day and this Yunus this eyeness that you have is constant andcontinuous through you and you don't have to do anything to create it acomputer running software is composed of a device and then code that executeswithin that device you could get that device as many sensors as she wants butit's never going to know when you pull the power cord and it dies it's never itdoesn't have any ability to safeguard its own life it doesn't have life as weunderstand it execute one instruction after another and all computers are arereally fast idioms now I grant you that in this broad universe what you and Iboth think of as as artificial intelligence that is to say device thatwas aware at some level of itself could exist but then you could start making abig leap because you're gonna say it's going to make decisions what will itmake those decisions on the only thing that powers decision-making in all ofuniverse is emotion within computers they don't have emotion they've got nochoice in the code they have to execute when I write a chunk of software and Iand I tell that computer to execute it it doesn't have the ability to say no goand take a hike I'm not gonna run it there's there's no other chunk ofoperating software within there that can do it so I don't define AI as a threatas you do I do understand the concept of a self-aware so to speak in a very broaddefinition spaceship a spaceship that would look after itself that would berepairing itself but it wouldn't be conscious however much it may appearthat way by it because it had been programmed like people like myself togive appearance to make its inhabitants feela little bit more comfortable with the idea of being inside a machine and so Idispute that level of AI and then you're gonna have to take that big leap and saythat this AI somehow has emotion and can be malevolent I could program a chunk ofcode that would be impressive and I was wanting to do so in this offshoot ofaetherium called the down which has distributed access objects because whenI read their specifications they're white paper on it I noticed they had notincluded the ability for even thought about aggressive software bots and thiswas a trading platform and I was gonna write a bot because it just occurred tome these people are missing a big hole there I was gonna write an aggressivebot that we'd go on out and take all these millions of dollars from them andthen basically laugh at him and say you know silly you should have coded thisand here's your money back someone did that before I could do it and they ranoff with the money and then it was then the whole dowel thing fell apart so soyou may be correct Jerry there may be AI out there and but I dispute that we'veseen it around here at all and as far as quantum computing is concerned I'minvolved with that I'm involved in two beta groups quantum computing is so newthat they're the major players in this group are recruiting people like myselfto help write the specifications for the programming languages so I've gottenbeta versions of a lot of the programming languages for quantumcomputing quantum computing is not deterministic it's not force computingthe way that these computers that we have here what I'm computing is an 8020% shot at getting the answer right it's just that it'll get more answers correctand it will wrong answers and it is incredibly complex to program it soquantum computing in no way is going to break the blockchain or even be used toassault the hatch yes you could maybe break a code on a hash but you can'treverse engineer a hash that's just the way it is so you can never use quantumcomputing to crack blockchain crack anybody's wallet and if you wanted to doit maybe you could maybe you can put in the manpower in the hours to program oneof these two-bit boxes to actually pop up with some one secret code for theirwallet but you're only doing one person and you've got to know they've gotsomething in there worth cracking to have spent all the times of time rentingthe code computer and all of this in order to doit it's just impractical so I look at things a very practical way as anengineer as a software engineer I don't waste my time being afraid of AI becauseI'm not running into any of it we don't waste my time being afraid of AI at anano level why is this because there's only two forms of quantum entanglementthat would allow communication will be passed to a to a nano device and neitherof these will allow you to pass complex instructions and so under thecircumstances the idea that a nano could be self-aware is pretty shocking a lotof people okay so that arises in our social order from the following idea weare our bodies so a great number of the people that you and I live with theybelieve they are their body they think when they die it's a 50/50 crap shootkind of idea that there's any kind of an afterlife but because they think ofthemselves as their body they're of the idea that that the the ability of otherbeings that everything has to replicate this I this concept of them as theirbody and so I'm losing the train of thought here on that but the the quantumcomputing is a it's a different form of computing intended to answer reallytough complex questions that we can't get to with brute force computing so inother words I can devise a mathematical program right now that we can put into asimple script that you can run on your PC and it would shut your PC down fasterthan you can believe because of the number of iterations it would have to gothrough to try and solve this this mathematic problem you know I appreciateall you're saying cliff and I understand that this is your level of understandingbut I do have to say that with all due respect that and you can certainlyquestion this and that's fair enough but I can tell you that your your level ofunderstanding is not to the level of what the secret government is dealingwith on a day-to-day basis and that you already wrote I'm not done and JordiRose is is a person who stood next to his d-wave computer for what it's worthand talked about the fact that it was going into 5din his view now he could be crazy that's fine you know he's a software you knowwhatever you want to call it scientist in Silicon Valley in case you're notfamiliar with him but I can say that I can also say that Anthony Sanchez wasapproached by scientists from Lockheed Martin who had done a sort of evaluationand who were disappearing is starting to disappear and this is not a you know afantasy but basically they found after doing a test and symbol whatever teststhey did that they're the the nano satellites that were self-replicatingand able to do that that they whether they would eventually on some kind of agraph turn against humans that was the question and that was the invelovedinvestigation they found there there was something like a suppressor please I'mnot done 60% chance that they would now this you this is not stuff that I'mmaking up this is what a soft you know scientist from Lockheed that went on therun that reported to Anthony Sanchez who is something of a software expert andthis is the story that came out about that so you know I do understand thatyou like to apply the word woowoo but this is denigrating to the sector and tothe intelligence of humanity and to our souls and our interaction with otherbeings of which there are so many out there it's ridiculous and if you do notknow this is here now I appreciate that that maybe your personal experience butI would have to say you're simply not aware of it now okay this is hard to doyou know return to have a discussion and you and I have had discussions offlineand I no need to be quite unaware individual and I'm not trying to youknow insult you in any way shape or form I'm simply telling you that based on myconversations which are lengthy and have been going on extensively behind thescenes as well as in you know in front of the audiences when people that Iinterview appear on camera that I have been discussing this with individualswho are dealing with this in their lives and with regard to the secret spaceprogram and what motivates etc etc and this this is real and thisdoes enter into our world as we understand it now the question becomesand and you know the kryptos are great again the question becomes is where isthis going are we going down a road that has to do with what I mentioned a longtime ago which has to do with angelic human versus robotic Superman in otherwords there is a choice to be made for Humanity and there is also you know whenyou get into artificial intelligence you get into believe it or not Satanism etcand and the road is as fairly complex perhaps for me to do that at this timeI'm not going to do that but I can tell you that it does have to do with themirror now what artificial intelligenceactually is if you want to sum it all up would be a mirror of of the beings thatcreate it and then it may evolve from there meaning it may multiply inwhatever way it considers itself now whether it has a self it's certainlygoing to be a self oh no no what you call a hive mind of any kind if there issuch a thing as an artificial intelligence self or concept of self butcertainly it will have a you know and there's so much more to this story youknow it gets into Turing it gets into you know there's a huge story behind thethe sort of artificial intelligence our understanding about how much we'veworked in it how much we've been able to create it ourselves whether other raceshave gone a lot further down that road than we have and whether some of thosepieces of those races have actually shown up here etc et-cetera you know sothere's a lot to this and and and and I'm not trying to sort of take thisconversation offline but what I want to do here is I do want to bring paladin innext and I so I hope you'll be patient with me and with us here cliff becausewe are dealing with something that you know this is not just an idleconversation for example for the listeners I want people to understandthat what we are interested in doing is bringing out the positivesthe negatives of what is happening to our financial system because it's goingto impact human lives all over the planetfor a very long time it appears and if if indeed it can be taken over in someform or fashion by the powers that be that have been running this earth foreons or whether they're going to stand aside and let you know let this sort ofpeer-to-peer situation become the norm which of course a flat horizontal thisis a great you know society from our point of view as the people but whetheror not that can be happen whether it's happening within this sortof evolvement of Kryptos at this time or whether this is in sort of a hidden wayof bringing indeed artificial intelligence and or quantum intelligenceoff planet intelligence onto the planet and and getting humans used to thenotion of doing everything in an in essence a virtual world and whether thatvirtual world is indeed in what I would call 4d is completely friendly or notthere is no doubt in my mind that we go beyond four dimensions however it's verypossible that this technology does not and so this is probably much in ourfavor I am NOT a doom and gloom ax stiff youwant to call it that but I do want to bring paladin in now and I appreciateyou standing by while I sort of covered the territory it's it's going to be acomplex discussion and it won't end here tonight I can assure you and otherpeople will want to sort of jump in but paladin do you have anything to say tothe the sort of topics of this discussion that we have covered whileyou've been relatively silent patiently standing by thank youwell I just you know cliff was addressing some of my issues when we gotkind of sidetracked into the AI so I would like to get back to that ifpossible if not that's fine because I know this is a broad subject and we'renot going to be to cover it all tonight one thing I amconcerned about like I said is the fact that I think were we're in a changeoverfor the Chinese now that'd be the ones to run the store and once that happens Ihave a feeling that the concentration then won't become you know on the cryptocurrency I think the blockchain technology is here to stay it's got alot of applications I think it's good if it's strong it's it's beautiful in thesense that it takes out the middleman it's peer to peer and I think there's alot of lot of good aspects with that that we can use in the future but thecurrencies and the crypto currencies I just I I mean I I would really like tosee it work trust me I would but I feel like I'm the Grinch you stole aChristmas because I just as long as those guys have the power to regulatethey've got the power to make laws they've got all the firepower the gunsand all that stuff I'm just skeptical that this is gonna work book does butI'm just I'm just skeptical do you have anything to say about the artificialintelligence portion of the discussion no because I'm not as well-versed on itas you are I mean I guess if I was gonna come down on one side to the other andyou and I have talked about this before I I would agree with cliff only becauseit's hard for me to envision a computer acting like a person and you're I meanfor it to be AI and go off on its own and go out without being programmed todo something seems like a human emotional feature or characteristic thatI don't think a computer is ever gonna have I don't know how you program thatinto a computer cliff would probably know better than me how you program thatkind of stuff into a computer and I I mean I guess it's possible but I justyou know you watch these TVs or these movies where you know the computer takesover and we almost go to nuclear war and then the human factor comesand talks the computer out of it and so you're assuming the computer hasfeelings that had as emotions and then it's going to make determinations onthings that it has hasn't been come hasn't been programmed for and I justdon't see I mean I just don't see how that's possible within what I understanda computer can do and what the programmers can write into the code sothat that's my thing on AI I you know I don't know how right I am or wrong I ambut that's just my feeling and it's always been my feeling I mean it'salways been I just don't know how you can you can train a computer to be ahuman or a thinking emotional being because it's just not it's just notthere I decide why you think they have to be emotional actually they're theirstrong point and that this gets into the Grace and the the bio programmablerobots that are Grace and and actually they are not emotional that's the wholepoint but be that as it may decision though it doesn't take a measure to makethis decision it does means your hormone percenthumans require hormones in order to make a decision men still almost out whilemammals do even such a thing as an earthworm responds to a hormonalresponse to an electric shock in order to turn a different way so that's neverexperienced here on this planet emotions equal decision-making andmovement without emotions you wouldn't do anything where's my arms right okayso let's assume for a minute that we're gonna just Joe there's just stuff for asecond in address some of the AI issues real quick my point about the body wasthat there's a big chunk of the planet here in terms of the humanity that thinkso if you get to a certain size in terms of intellectual capacity or the abilityto process information that suddenly you have consciousness and self-awarenessand it's a part of this misnomer that's called the hundredth monkey effect okaythat doesn't exist that's a myth itself the idea from that was a study in the30s where these people thought they saw where they made an assumption and theirassumption was that when a certain number of monkeys could wash thepotatoes that they ate that all the monkeys on that island would also washthe sweet potatoes that was true it was spread throughout that that islandnow the hundred monkey effect comes in because these people said aha it jumpedover to that other Island unaided etc etc and if you go back and examine thedata that's bullshit they never just never said that the scientists said itnever occurred that way that in fact the monkeys themselves from one islandspread to the other and took that culture with it their conclusion was theculture spreads through individually individuation of that culture beingexpressed in its and it's a good thing therefore their culture you know themonkey that washes the sweet potato lives longer as better food etc othermonkeys have thought that and so they 100 monkey effect is a bunch of is amisnomer but getting back to the idea of the the idea that bankers and so forthare going to take over the Kryptos and they probably would like to I grant youthat there is that there but the ability to do so is really difficult in adistributed fashion so they ARPA the precursor DARPA the precursor to ARPAthe Advanced Research Projects a management agency for the US governmentinvented the internet they released it when they released it it was actuallyhad been designed through the 50s and 60s and 70s to survive a nuclear war bybeing distributed and they released it because they had a real problem ok itwas a real world they didn't give it to us because we were good people and theythought we should have the internet and so on they were in a shock because theinternet was evolving without them you know in a free open fashion in the formof what we're known as dial-up BBS okay a bulletin board system so before theinternet people on computers like myself could dial into these central computerareas that somebody had in his basement we could all get there and discusscoding or we could all get there and discuss UFOs or this kind of thing andin fact the very first thing on the internet after technology stuff was UFOstuff and then the porn came along later but the UFOs were the driving force fora lot of the BBS which led to the conspiracies and so they the governmentin its wisdom decided we'd better get the internet out there because we cancontrol that but we can't control all these phone linebecause the way the phone system works and so they've been failing from thatpoint on with the introduction of each and every one of these distributedtechnologies and so we're at this point now where they're failing with money andthey're doing everything they can to try and tax it and stay in in in command andso on and I grant you the plan had been for a global replacement for the dollarcalled the SDR sorry they've abandoned that they're not even gonna roll thatthing out anymore and and we're moved into this world and a lot of the peoplethat were involved in STRs and stuff are out trying to create crypto coins andget involved in that and you only have to look at the players and a lot of thenew AI cos they're coming on out you see a lot of people touting the fact thatthey were bankers and so on and so forth and so when the bankers are buying youknow they're not going to allow the government to step on it and you've gotJamie Dimon out there trying to drive the price of Bitcoin down all the whilegives people in this organization are buying it as hand over fist as fast asthey can for him creating this slight ground down so we're just at a goodpoint in history where it's all gonna it's all blowing up and it's blowing upin our favor as individuals and you know I dispute a a lot of the stuff on thesecret space program not going to exist but I think most of the whistleblowersare full of it they were never attached to it they're just a grand selfaggrandizing intervals but they're not really adding anything to the to thediscussion none of them have any evidence so if you don't have air ventsit's not testimony if you're not in court it's a story and so yeah we've gotthis guy in prison telling stories about the secret space program and and blackgoo and all of this kind of stuff we've got other guys that are worshipping blueaving and birds and and they're worshipping these birds and they don'teven think about this a bird is a located mirror reptile you're nevergoing to get a bird that's going to become an intelligent being at thatlevel the way that this kind of thing works and our reality here is that youneed certain level of hormones in order to even develop the concept of love I'vegot chickens chickens are dumb they don't have the concept of love theydon't care about any other there's stuff here and it's any of the things that aregoing on and these misnomers within what I call whanau willso I'm not attempting to denigrate anyone okay if someone takes it that wayI there's nothing I can do about it it was a self-protectiveway of doing my work in the beginning unfortunately when I was doing businesswith George your he convinced me in 2001 that we should offer this stuff to theCIA because obviously we were able to predict this event in the future and theCIA could use this kind of stuff and we did so but it of course exposed us tothe CIA we went to Intel q which is there funding arm and they gave us anice response back that was basically that said interesting technology butBill wave boys you buggin us but from that point on I started getting reallyworried about what if they were in fact working on this on their own didn't wantthe competition etc and I've been hassled and harassed in a serious waythat I've got evidence for not some kind of bogus death threat that my or deathattempt where my brakes were cut or whatever that sort of thing we've hadthe air currents where our websites would taken offline without notice afteryears on servers and all these sorts of things I mean actual manifestations ofpeople being rude to us about this kind of work so it was dangerous and that'swhy I characterized it is whoo because I figured if I rubbished myself then theywould be less likely and less inclined to muck about with me and it's workedworked out so far now I take your points quite seriously I also get a lot of crapout of the christians because the crypto currencies are the mark of the beast theone-world currency here to take us all over and so on and it's like guys thatold old paradigm that we've lived with is goneit's actually dying a death of its own the bankers know the dollar is dying andthey don't like that any more than us and they've got to do things about it soI personally don't see this as being a big issue if AI could overtake if itexisted it wouldn't give a crap about what we're doing with crypto currenciesit's like I kept thinking you know if any of these things were real in termsof people that had done 20 and back or gone off into space and come back and soon then why didn't they come on out years ago saying I Kryptos people havebeen to the future I've seen what's going on because we're here now so wehave demonstrable evidence that there is indeed thisI can see it in all kinds of weird devices that I know are being builtright this minute including quantum computers and I'm involved and Iunderstand the Gordy Rose standing next to the Machine and feeling it do youknow what quantum computers are how they work they work in a weird way okaybecause quantum computers are an attempt to put a computer chip of a specificdesign into a vessel and then to eliminate so much stuff out of thatvessel that there's that it almost is not even in this dimension that's theirgoal okay they want to eliminate the vibration that comes from heat they'regoing to eliminate the vibration of any air in there they want to eliminate thevibration of people around them they want to eliminate all these vibrationsso that they can control those vibrations that are left then they dothis thing called quantum tunneling or quantum annealing and it is very similarto taking all the atoms and a piece of steel and making all those atoms veryagitated and then he's freezing them instantly and when you freeze them theyjust so happen to line up in the coat and in the correct answer for the codethat you grip and that's how a quantum computer works but the only way it canwork is supercooling it and kicking out what I call wu basically what they'redoing is they're trying to push consciousness out of this vessel thatthey then stick the computer chip into and that's a cue chip that's a qubitcomputer in a nutshell and so it of course feels weird to stand around itbecause they're doing everything they can to shove out all of theconsciousness of the universe and so in my way of thinking there's a bow wave ora– or a wave of consciousness that density of consciousness around thesequantum computers that doesn't exist elsewhere I also think that theexistence of quantum computers can be tied to their existence or the mainvillan effect and where we should see the quantum computers go more Mandelaeffect manifests now at some point it may even out but it's really weird thatway in terms of what quantum computers are and how they function becausethey're not as is being sold into the alternative media community in adifferent term than whoo okay so the quantum computers are not these evilthings that are being sold in a particular way quantum stuff isreally kind of cool you have that point about Fiat let me let me address yourpoint about the two aspects of this okay the angelic human versus the the superenhanced robotic kind of human right does the angelic human have any need formoney how is the Angelica Minh vehicle going to be recognized how is thatfuture gonna be recognized different than the path were on now because we'redeep into a technology world now that's been existence since 1947 it's not goingaway so we personally each as individuals have decisions to make in mycase I've made a decision to be as morally upstanding as I can in dealingwith the emergence of this technology as it goes forward and to always maintaincertain principles in doing so so that any effect I may have as an individualshoves all of us towards that particular view that we can overcome all of thesethings now let me tell you one weird little rumor I heard okayand this is from The Whistleblower kind of community so I don't put a lot ofstock in it but this particular whistleblower works for in a deepcapacity for a major aerospace and space company and this individual told me thatif one wanted to think about it a particular way humans are extremelyclever and we're clever in ways that many other beings are not and thencuriously what you guys might think of is increased appearance of other beingson our planet it's not curious that they're all showing up at thisparticular point now the that what's drawing them here is the fact that we'redoing things with their technology they never thought of that we're good at okso so it's kind of like them they dropped it into our lap thinking one wayand I say the human humanity is a genetically engineered by space aliensspecies and that we somehow become the wild strain the people that geneticallyengineered us are gone they're not around we've been left to develop on ourown and like a strange thing in a petri dish that shows very particular kinds ofcharacteristics the scientists hadn't anticipatedthat's humanity and so we're doing stuff with thetechnology they never had a clue about and they're interested in what we'redoing with it and potentially want to buy some of it from us or trade orwhatever that's really where we're kind of at on the space alien side of thingsand now curiously we also have you know all these disclosure movements coming onout where it's real stuff like you know too long as maybe the spearhead from thedeep a deep state you know in and it just doesn't matter in terms of theindividual personalities in my viewpoint because of the conjunction of historyand where we're at if we don't go down this particular road then you might aswell look at a Mad Max world by 2020 we're already seeing a lot of theeffects from the crypto currencies on our real-world gem trails are way downup here way down they're not spending the money to spray them as much as theyused to we've had weird weather effects magnificent Indian summer stretching onuntil November and then a sudden crash and in the weather this is related tothe crypto currencies how because they no longer have the dollars to pay forthe people that do all of the chemtrails pairing and stuff they're having tostart being sparing on where they're spending their dollars and my dataever since 2003 has described that basically the USA Global part of theworld as being in a crumbling thing where the people are gonna have to makedecisions or currencies being inflated the people at the top are makingdecisions now currencies being inflated to the point where it takes a lot ofmoney to thrive somebody seriously anymore it's not going so far as it usedto so what are they go to pay for and that kind of thing and as it crumbleswe're seeing the bankers you know jump ship and all of this sort of thing so myway of thinking it's a very optimistic view of the futureand I'm not putting it down to a bifurcation because I'm not buying intothat duality that is basically in an offshoot of the external Saviour mythokay and so that's what it comes down to is the external Saviour myth I'm notlooking for anybody to save me I mean I don't think any of us are eitherotherwise who wouldn't even bother with this conversation but you know III Ithink it's really strange that you would actually think the chemtrails have beeneliminated because they can't afford to pay people these people that havelooked into Katherine Austin Fitz information and the black budget Russiaand the money that has trickled into the black budget I can assure you theycontroller juggling they can pay the airline the monster okay what I'm saying what I'm saying is thatthe chemtrails for whatever reason I'm saying it's my opinion there's nothingmoney with money nations alright alright also here's another thing here's anotherthing about chemtrails just as an aside they're dumping fly ash that's whatthey're using as their main source for chemtrails is fly ash from coal plantsObama shut down a lot of the coal plants the billion dollars that used to go intothat industry to disposing Clifford Carnac on and get the real analysis andfly ash is not not the real analysis of what's in chemtrails okay all right youcan actually go to Clifford karna come and present him with the essay of whatfly ashes from coal plants and he'll say oh look it's got aluminum bariumstrontium all of these things that are in there chemtrails with the exceptionof you know some of the weird goofy stuff like the fibers and that sort ofthing I'm saying it's a base okay here's what happened the coal industry wasdying they had this huge situation occur in Tennessee where one of these fly ashcontainers leaked and people died in a big big costly insurance problem in thein the earlier late 80s early 90s from that point on we start seeing chemtrailsshow up and pretty soon the coal industry no longer has to pay a billiondollars a year to dispose of fly ash all of a sudden it's no longer a line itemin any of the companies reporting anything about their coal plants why isthis because they've got a contract with the government to turn over the fly ashto them and not spend that billion dollars all these fly ash ponds aroundthe coal plants are dry they've disappeared over the last five or sixyears we've sprayed them into the atmosphere and you can't say that thisdoesn't occur because this is what they did with the of the floor I'm theStannis fluoride that they took out of the steel mills they made us all eat itand they and they got rid of the waste from the steel mills as we went intothat by making us do the standard Marinetteokay sure you know I'm not going to dispute a suit here in dispute chemistrywith you but I can simply say that no one has attributed it so far that I knowof to fly ash as you're calling it or something as a derivative from coal butit's possible it's not I'm not you know I you know there's there's a lot toworry they're not all the same no they're not all the same you you don't Ihave studied this I have gotten testimony extensive testimony I can tellyou that the concern arises details you know I'm sorry you're wrong about that witness testimony is just thatexperience with whatever it is it's just as valid as valid as a document it's afact watch your words you shouldn't have a chance to talk is that Alright thankyou okay so paladin at this pointcliff has been talking for quite a while we've gone into this area of artificialintelligence and I guess now we've kind of moved into chemtrails it's importantto bring it back I think at this point to the kryptos to anything else youwould like to add on your part I understand that you don't have muchexperience with artificial intelligence is there anything that you want todiscuss that we have not covered in this discussion here with regard to cryptosany further and alysus you've done etc etc no I thinkyou guys I think we pretty much covered all of that I'm you know you know I'm ina learning curve trying to figure it all out I just tend to approach it from abig big picture standpoint and you know it's obvious to me that the the powersthat be emanate their power emanates from their control of the financialsystem and I think we all know who that goes back to they do it through the Fedthere's a lot of off-balance sheet money out there you know I guess I would pushback a little on what cliffs that as far as this is the dollar is going down andit's out of control and they can't stop it I would say yeah they can stop itthey are controlling it they are manipulating it and basically you knowwhat this is it's like the crash in 1929 where it's a transfer of wealth I meanthey're they're gonna crash it and they're going to take all of our moneyif they can do that and come up with a different system Ithink that crypto currencies are filling a void between maybe the transition fromthe the you know the old European bloodlines to the Chinese the Chinesewere in charge you're right cliff for a long time the Silk Road I mean that'syou know and they accumulated a lot of goldthey've been accumulating a lot of gold in the in the in the past and I thinkthey would like to flip the switch and go to a gold-backed currency and I thinkif they do that it's gonna be a game-changer because everybody else isgonna have to do that and and it's maybe not going to be gold back I say I thinkit's a better term as the asset back because not everybody has gold somepeople have oil some people have various other resources that they will use and Ithink we're gonna see again it's not gold standard it's asset it's an assetback standard and I think we're gonna see a completely different monetarysystem now how that's going to look versus the cryptos when it gets done andwhen it gets flipped I don't know because you know the bloodline familiesfrom what it appear are fighting this tooth and nail theywere asked to come to the table a few years ago to say ok we're going in thisdirection do you want to go with this and they basically got up and left themeeting so that Chinese have basically done this on their own they've createdthe Asia infrastructure Bank which is you know that they have to chose an highgold exchange they're they're you know accepting payments now from othercountries Russia is involved so so you're seeing a shift from the west tothe east if you will and how that's going to shake out nobody knows becauseit appears to be a battle and it's interesting that the kryptos have comein to fill a void in the meantime and so I you know I mean III I am NOT one thatlikes to predict the future or try to go into the future I'm just looking atwhat's happening in the past and what's what's taking place right now and I feelthat they will address the cryptos once they get the new system in place but Icould be wrong I could be completely wrong I am cheering for the Kryptos Ihope they work because it's a beautiful thing I mean the the the the concept theidea the technology it all seems to be solid it all seems to be doing you knowperforming as planned I just wish there wasn't such a proliferation ofcurrencies and these these tokens although I think that they have adifferent property than currency if I understand that right and I believe thatyou know if we if we use the crypto currencies for commerce it's going to bea stronger model going forward for them to attack than if it becomes aninvestment vehicle that's that's where I'm concerned because people are goingto have to eventually get out of it get back into cash because that's how theyhave to pay the IRS the IRS and all the other agencies are going to startputting in more and more snooping they're going to you know they're goingto want reporting requirements from the banks and the exchanges and it's justit's I mean I just see them attacking it from different sides I hope I'm wrongI hope kryptos survive and the banks out of business believe thatthat's you know that would be a super thing because that would break theirpower I guess to me their power needs to be broken first before the kryptos cango in because as long as they have control of the governments as long asthey have control of the banks and the financial system there are things theycan put into place to disrupt the cryptocurrency mania and that's the onlything that I'm concerned about okay along those lines I want to say thatthere is a question in the chat that the chat has been going like crazy and therehave been tons of trolls and and lots of sort of people that are distracting thesituation but one person did say that they would like cliff to address theexchanges and along those lines I would like to say that if there was going tobe a disruption it would seem to me in the process of going from crypto in backinto the sort of you want to call the old world financial system because atthis time the two are sort of trying to exist together so the exchanges becomeprimary along those lines so cliff what you have to say about the exchangesthey've been written out of the picture so there were central exchanges likecoinbase pull and x gemini and a few of these others they still exist they'reout there but there was also distributed exchanges ether Delta and dozens ofothers that code is now replicated and it's being written out all over variouspeople putting their flavors on it a distributed decentralized exchange hasno one controlling it it's simply software running on the blockchainit's peer-to-peer so we've already eliminated that as being a bottleneck inan issue let's also address paladin's issue abouttaxes he's quite correct we still have to pay taxes in dollars as long as theycan force that with their guns we'll always have to convert some of thecryptos into dollars to pay our taxes but I mean you convert anything otherthan the bare minimum though right I mean you got to be sneaky about thiskind of stuff as we evolved on it's a dangerous time out therethat a Kryptos offer us an opportunity to grow out of this dangerous time in away that in which we can keep generational wealth and even create itand this is the very first time in history where we've had such a hugetransfer of wealth that it didn't also accompany a great crime it used to bethat people like Charles Dickens would say behind every great fortune you canbe certain that there's a great crime and it's Center even like the god funand it's right The Godfather starts off by killing that guy and it was his crimeso so I agree with Mellon a lot of us is statements in terms of his viewpoint Ilook to the future not to the past and so I'm trying to help steer things as wego along and so the exchanges are being taken outof the loop so to speak as a point of vulnerability because we can engineersoftware to do that so this is kind of a thing where we're not going to wait forsome day where they've got the power and they can try and stop the crypto so theywere going to do stuff they would have tried the regulation a long time agobecause they understand that this stuff spreads like a virus they understand thepower dynamic and the power dynamic is once it gets into early adopters it'sdone you can't stop it so once cellphones reach the point where the4,000th person so to speak or the 4% person the person that took bought thatcell phone that represented the four percentile once that happened it was itwas bound to keep continuing and so we're at a very interesting time inhistory and the concerns about the crypto in terms of the exchanges and thevulnerabilities are going to be engineered out you have to understandsoftware is really cool when I make a mistake in software I can correct thaterror so as I discover it reissued software within it in instant you knowas fast as the Internet can suck it up or whatever now I'm actuallyconcentrating on security because there's a lot of these ICO guys that arenew they don't know what the hell they're doing or the writing code that'sgot holes in it there'll be hackers and crackers trying to take their money inthis sort of thing it's going to be a very burgeoning sort of an area paladincan probably get quite a bit of work doing forensic analysis because that'llbe a burgeoning area figuring out what happened what where did it go wrongwhere did this particular transaction not appear correctly and why and sowe're inventing this stuff as we go along so it's not a it's not in a way Idon't consider realize it is a paradigm of one poweragainst another power nor do i conceptualize kryptos as currency versusstore wealth it's both constantly continuing and it's evolving it's also away of secure communication for instance if you had a whistleblower and had apiece of evidence say photographic evidence of themselves with their armaround a an alien and they wanted to establish that they had this photo at avery particular time all they have to do is to upload that photo to theblockchain and it's there forever time-stamped down to the millisecondthat we can identify with particular blocks so there's all kinds of uses forthe blockchain to establish IDs and establish intellectual property and soon and we and it's going to be chaotic as hell and we must have I'm sorry forpaladins not for his for his worry about too many Krypton's too many tokens toomany points we haven't even started there's millions of businesses aroundthis planet that need funding the banks are dying because the dollaris dying it is not like 1929 and it is not like 1933 the reason is the dollarthen had a huge 75% of its purchasing power available now it's less than onefoot one person if and it's dying off and so there won't be a recovery into anew scheme that is in any way based on I want a dollar and so if the powers therebe are gonna try and roll out something they're gonna have to try and convinceall of us to take an SDR and get and go and take an SDR to pay for yourStarbucks they're gonna have to convince Starbucks and Amazon's to accept STRsbecause the dollar is simply gonna go away for being so hyper inflated that ithas really no value and it'll be like the old world war two lira where it tookyou know 5,000 lira to buy a stick and gum and so the reason that the bankersare not an issue is because they recognize that their product is notaccepted anymore and they can't sell their product and so what they want todo is get behind the next up-and-coming greatest product and that's whyindividual bankers are fleeing the banking system faster than then theirbonuses are drying up and yes the feds in control of the dollar but that's alland at some point those dollars won't pay forsoldiers or police and the police chief will have to go to the City Council andsay we've got to pay these people in real moneyyou guys have better get some Bitcoin in here quick or litecoin or aetherium orwhatever to pay these people and this system is being engineered and put inplace by all of us d centralist s– by all of us some distributed thinkers andwe're fighting continuously and constantly so basically it's a situationof where we're not trying to knock down the old system we're wearing it awaywe're eating it away little bit by little bit by little bit continuously sothis is like malice a chun-yin is march of the thousand miles where he took overChina and he did it with what was known as the long march of the blue ants hehad so many people that he wore down the system as he marched from thehinterlands in northern China to Beijing by the time he got to Beijing he'll inthe country this was the original kicking out of Chiang kai-shek and itwas just that they had so many people that collapsed and that's where we're atright now with Russia Russia collapsed and went into the white or the SovietUnion collapsed went into what we called the white revolution because of nationalnews they started broadcasting in nationalnews across 12 timezone and they did it in synchronize time so everybody couldwatch the news at the same time across their whole whole country the powersthat be in the Soviet Union thought that this would bring the country togetherand it did it collectivized the whole country because they knew that thatnational news for an hour was absolute bullshit so you know what they did theythought they'd walk their dogs and pretty soon everybody was out walkingtheir dogs when the national news was on and nobody was paying attention to theNational paradigm anymore and when you walked your dog you saw everybody elsewalking their dogs and you all knew you were walking to your dogs because youcouldn't stand to watch that bullshit anymore that's when the revolutionhappened we're at that stage right now we've passed it you've got people fromall around the planet some of the greatest minds that there is out theremathematicians software engineers all of these guys young kids helping build thiscrypto infrastructure and we're building it around a dying dinosaur of the oldsystem and that dinosaur is going to deflate and be eaten by our system as wego forward and I think it's a cool system I think it's reallyEGH a latarian and fair I think it's dangerous as hell it's like the WildWest and you get skinned in an instant if you're not paying attention butthat's what makes a good adult is paying attention to the crap around you andthat's what I think we are historically okay cliff thank you for all that what Iwant to do is is just one more question for you and then I'm gonna look in thechat see if we can find it know one or two questions and then we're gonna wrapthis all up I wanted to ask you because you say that exchanges are going by thewayside my understanding is that's how you exchange your crypto for other youknow to get into other currencies or out of it altogether if they're going by thewayside can you give some suggestions about other people like myself andothers who may not know what is their their alternative where do you take yourBitcoin or whatever it is and sure enough real real easy real easy clearlyfirst off just as safety I always keep all of my coins in mypersonal possession on my PC I don't keep any coins on an exchange I haven'tdealt with an exchange in years okay I used I bought some at some point and assoon as I went by and like get them off that exchange because that wascontrolled by someone so I get it off the exchange and I put it in a wallet inmy PC if I don't want to convert Bitcoin date aetherium or any other coin I cando so through these distributed exchanges and they're like ether Deltaokay ether Delta allows you to swap basically sell certain coins or so onsome wallets for instance like the exodus wallet are connected to thisthing called shape-shift shape-shift is a distributed sort of exchange where itallows you to convert one currency to another kind of currency the onlydifficulty coming around at all now would be the ability to exchange cryptocurrencies for dollars and it's because the dollar is a pre minedcrypto currency where the government mines bazillions of them ahead of theactual meat and the government controls that so you can still sell your coinsfor dollars at any time there's a dozen dozen different ways to do it one ofthem is local coins convert your alt coins into Bitcoin or a theory a morelike coin and go to this place called local coins org and arrange to meetsomebody and get cash your coins this is government's problemthere was an incident a little while ago where aetherium took a big jump up andsomeone made some outrageous amount of money doing a thorium traits like theymade let's just pick a number 138 million dollars okay and they did thisover a course of a weekend and it was such a big deal that it elicited anumber of newspaper articles because the government couldn't figure out who totax they knew what had occurred but they couldn't figure out who owns those bitthough those aetherium coins they couldn't figure out who who it is thatit to tax it the government has no knowledge the IRS is entirely a selfreporting system so it's up to you as a conscientious citizen to report yourcrypto gains the government because they don't have a clue that you're investingin this you know once the money is out of thedollar they cannot track it they the ability to track an individualtransaction through ether scan or some of these other Bitcoin or blockchaininfo some of these allow an individual if you know your own address is tofollow a course of a transaction but the government doesn't know anybody'saddresses can't tie them to their their businesses there's a lot of fun outthere where they write articles in the New York Times and get the New YorkTimes and the and these people to print them saying AHA we figured out a way totrack the the the stuff and tax it but the fact of the matter is they're stilldealing with you know ancient technology and IRS they just don't grasp some ofthis stuff at a fundamental functional level and it is up to every citizen toreport their tax gains appropriately and be taxed that way because we have a selfreporting system and so I advise everybody to be legal and lawful and youknow play the rules right you can also write off losses so if you if you had aloss in crypto currencies you can report that you a net worth trading and cryptocurrencies and you suffered a capital loss and write the capital loss up onyour taxes so it's to your advantage to be relatively honest about it and in anepisode as as well as we go forward all right thank you for that now I haveanother question that did show up in the chat and that is if you would be willingto share your idea of where the markets are going between now and the end of theyear is the question I wrote it up in the last BarenakedWealth Report and we're gonna see Bitcoin hit probably 10,000 before theend of this year before December 31 during this period of time we're goingto see a plateau effect within what are known as the altcoinsokay that would be all the other coins the etherium and all these others areconsidered alt coins to Bitcoin bitcoin is going to go through a little bit of ahiccup with this next fork but a fork is where the code shifts off but beforethat code I have a hundred coins let's just say I have a hundred bitcoins afterits forked I have a hundred of the original Bitcoin but now I have ahundred of the new Bitcoin that's why everybody's flooding into Bitcoinbecause if they do a fork you get these new coins as free money so to speak andso that's going to affect Bitcoin until after midnight of time between now andMarch where the markets basically are in a generalized slow uptrend with thesebig spikes that will occur as various things happen in the crypto world someof those things will be like some of these companies like pillar populisteven spectrum some of these companies will come out in their products thatwe've been funding the development of through icos will come on the market andI think these companies seem really hot everything will start working and sothey'll get a big pop in their in their prices as we go forward as theirproducts come into the market so we're just watching a market business cycleoccur here and so that part is relatively relatively easily predictedwhereas the Big Shot days coming as next Marchso people that are holding alt coins and Bitcoin and stuff through this winterand into next spring are then going to be joined by the early adopters so let'sjust say that there might be 10 million people out of 350 million people in ourcountry that are involved in Bitcoin or any alt currencies at this stage my dataand my analysis suggests that when we hit March we'll go from those 10 millionto the first hundred million and we'll do it over March April and May and thenwe'll do another hundred million over maybeJune and July and so the speed at which we get more and more people into thiswill really accelerate and obviously that acceleration of dollars of wealthflowing out of dollars into Kryptos is going to boost the relative dollar pricethat these things vary on what's going to keep them from going astronomical iswe're also going to be flattening out at the same time instead of two hundred ortwo thousand five hundred Kryptos we might have ten thousand by march fortythousand by april and 150 thousand by july so the money's going to be able tospread out so to speak into a lot of these different Kryptos many of whichwill be a scam you've gotta understand what you're doing you got to do your owndue diligence don't take anybody's word for it all of that kind of thing andthat's basically the overall projection that's coming out of our data for therise on the or for the landscape of the cryptos through into mid next summerokay thank you for that so at this time i don't think that there are all I'mjust scanning the chat really quickly to see if there's any last-minute questionsokay and I I do want to say that it's it'sbeen great you've been a great sport cliff I appreciate thatpaladin thank you so much for also being with us and giving your part to what youunderstand and and and some some food for thought I think for everyonelistening and this has been I think a very good discussion and it's quitecovered a lot of ground obviously there's some drilling down that needs tohappen and I'm sure that that can go on also in your own show and probably doescliff and perhaps we can bring some other people on to also further fleshout and and and investigate some of this these topics where we have certainamount of knowledge in certain areas and and it doesn't all line up to wherewe're able to I think perhaps communicate that clearly with each otherin these areas because our knowledge comes from such different places howeverI think it's very good information and I I think people their hearts are in theright place they really want to see this turning into a you know oha place on the planet where basically we are taking our own destiny into our ownhands etc and so that we're moving out of the sort of eye of the triangle andtop-down sort of situation and into another world there is a lot to be saidon the spiritual level that would probably be another show in and ofitself to talk about how this is a reflection of so my cat sorry it is areflection of the change in humanity and moving very possibly from 3b into 4d andbeyond so this is the virtual world the world that we are dealing with is goingto be encompassing all of these kinds of ideas and crypto is is kind of part andparcel of all of that so I mean I would I guess I'll give you each a sort oftime to say some parting words try to keep it sort of I guess to a minimumsimply because we have gone over time here so paladin why don't you you startjust some parting words and of course give your website and anything else youmight be involved in in the future with regard to this topicum okay thank you for having me on I've got none quite an education sitting herelistening to you and cliff talk about these issues so I appreciate that andand having the opportunity to go through this with you guys our websites whitehat reports.
Com we we put up you know the YouTube interviews that I'm doingall of our reports are there if you want to view those at some point in time I'llprobably be doing a blog and some adding some other things when when I've got thetime in the inclination to do it I don't know are we going to do this again carrywith bitcoins and currencies I would like to have more time to study it andget probably brought up to speed yes okay yeahand hopefully we'll do a JFK at some point next this month I guessand that's all I've got and thanks cliff for coming on and spending the time it'sbeen an education okay great I'm sorry I mostly head – I apologizefor that yeah it happens guys you get old you get stubborn you know that kindof thing so sorry about the contentious aspect of it part of that I have to sayis not my fault I'm constantly under attack by the funds that are out thereputting out you know the fear about the Kryptos and so on so I get real touchyabout it I said but I do appreciate your perspective and I think that as aforensic fellow you just need to ever so slightly shift your vision and all of asudden you've got the crypto currencies opening up as a whole new market nichefor you because there's a real need a serious need for people that contracttransactions and know finances and so on it's really cool that one thanks Kerryfor heavenly on it it's great fighting with you you know I love a good dust-upso be ready I'll be ready to do it anytime anytime about any of thesesubjects really wanted to get into the damn blue chickens – blue space chickensbut we can deal with that some other time that's all good so thank you somuch paladin and cliff hi and I want to let people know that I am going to bedoing some of these conversations as many people know I had bit but we're onon my show and so a big swear so I am going to have I've invited some otherpeople I think Lynette Zhang is someone who's out there talking quite a bitabout this subject matter so we're gonna we've already invited her I haveextended some an invitation to gerald Celenteit looks like he might be willing to have a discussion and so it's it's justa matter of bringing people in from different walks of life and certainlythis this sort of changeover that's happening globally in the financialsystem has been ongoing it's been going on for several yearsCamelot was warned about it many years ago and told that 2017 was thefor the changeover we're very close to the end of 2017 we also know that theywere behind the clock in that way they weren't getting done what they wanted tosee done this is the so-called powers that be call them what you will I wedidn't get anything about the Vatican in here IMF World Bank etc I think there'ssome discussions to be had there there is also the questions to go to do withthe idea of the asset-backed system if there is even any hope for such a systemwhich I do question for a number of reasons which have a lot to do withimperialism etc and so the minute you decide how do you decide what countriesassets belong to that country when you've got countries like China that areany USA that are fully involved in places like Africa etc and it gets verydicey in that in that sense so I think there's a lot to discussin this whole financial sector it's not my area of expertise but nonetheless Iam watching it as I have everything really across the board because of mywhistleblower testimony in these areas and it seems that they do have a pointto make and so more about that in the future and I invite anyone who wants tocontact me who thinks they're an expert in these areas of crypto currenciesartificial intelligence also quantum mechanics and quantum computing andquantum in general quantum physics etc we do have Richard Alan Miller who'sgoing to be here next week I will be asking him some things about some ofthis whether or not he's even looked at the financial sector in this way I don'tknow but he's always a great guest so he will be here next week I forget whichwith which day I think it might be Wednesday so thanks for watchingeveryone thanks for being here guys thanks a lot for audience in spite ofthis sort of rudeness of the chatroom I hope everyone enjoyed the discussionokay so take care guys and and good night okay so so my my cat is being veryverbal at the in the back there and that usually means that he's gettingextremely restless and has decided my show needs to end which he's very funnyin that way so I want to thank you again for watching and as far as I know I'mnot going to be doing a show tomorrow which I do sometimes on Friday but wehave such a lot of shows that I've been doing lately and I do encourage you togo to my youtube channel to check in on those shows a lot of fabulous guests asalways and some very thought-provoking discussions as there was tonight sothanks for being with us and have a great weekend take care bye bye you.