(clicking) – Welcome back, everyone.
I'm sitting down todaywith Navin Prithyani.
Navin, thank you forwelcoming me into your home.
– Thank you.
– A pleasure in Bangkok.
I love it.
It's a beautiful place, and we thought we would do a second interview today.
We did a few once before, one last year.
I came to your place again.
We talked about price action.
We'll link that below ifyou are gonna check it out.
We did one after also onhow to plan your success, which was really loved bypeople here on the channel.
And so today I want totalk about something that you are very good at, which is how to trade to get more freedom.
I think that's a goal alot of people want to have.
So for people who don't know you, tell people who you are, what you do, and a bit of background about yourself.
Obviously my name is Navin Prithyani.
I am a senior trader at forexwatchers.
Com and a mentor and educatorat urbanforex.
Com and CEO of Black TowerInvestments Ltd.
in Hong Kong.
That's my background.
I think that question thatyou asked about freedom, to me maybe that wordis a little bit unique because a lot of peopleget into this industry thinking this is a way out,but to actually do this successfully you've got to go all in.
Instead of a little bitin to look for a way out, it's sort of like an oxymoron.
It doesn't work that way.
That's my experience, obviously.
I think there's a lot of hardwork that needs to be put in because you can go to college, you can graduate from highschool, you can get a job and make some money.
Then you can go to a universityand get a bachelor's degree.
You can make a little bit more money.
You can go get a master's,make a little bit more money, a PhD, a lot more money.
But then in forexthere's no such thing as, if I learn a little bit more I'll make a little bit more money.
It's either you make money or you don't.
It's basically you gostraight PhD or you don't.
Like you don't make any money at all.
So there is no, if I learn a little bit I'll make a little bit of money.
There's no such thing as that.
It's either you make it or you don't.
I think when you look atit in that perspective, there is no, I'm gonna half-ass it.
Sorry of using that word.
You can't half it, you know.
– Yeah, that's a good point.
And I think it's somethinglike you mentioned, the fact that you have to go all in.
It's kind of a differentshift in your lifestyle too.
Like you might be more free to travel, do whatever you want, have some fun, like you've been traveling a lot recently which is pretty cool.
So tell me more about it a little bit, those travels and everything you do.
– Well, traveling hasbeen a passion of mine since I was a child, so that didn't come fromthe work side of things, but trading in generalhelped me to do that.
It's not a bad thing.
I don't look at them as connected, but at the same time I also feel blessed that because I'm atrader I have the ability to travel a little bit more easier because I don't need tosign a piece of paper saying, can I take a weekoff three months from now.
So, I do have that littlebit of flexibility there, but yeah, because tradingis more internet-based I'm very very consciousabout where I'm going based on time zone in termsof where are you gonna trade, and does the time zone line up with when you're awake and alive.
(laughs) You don't want to do itin the middle of night when you're really tired or exhausted.
So, I'm very conscious of that.
And one thing that I thinkI've noticed for myself over time is that themore discipline and effort you put into trading, themore freedom you can have.
So it's like the opposite.
Like people expect to gain freedom, but they have to put inmore work to gain freedom, like you mentioned earlier.
If we're being honesthere, that's how I got in, thinking this is my way out, and then it turned out to be quicksand and I got dragged inmore and more and more up to a point where I'm like,I was working eight hours a day at my other job, I wasworking for a bank before, and now I'm doing close to 20 hours a day, four hours of sleep, anddoing this over and over.
I mean, I don't trade like that anymore, but I spent so much time into it that I don't think the average newcomer who comes to the industry realizes that there is no mid grounds.
You actually have to go all in.
That word just keepscoming into my mind of, you've got to go allin with all your might, all your energy.
You've got to use all your background of when someone said you can't do this, you've got to bring thatenergy in there as well.
Whatever you have to doto get that fire going and saying I'm gonna do this,whether it takes one year, 10 years, 50 years, andyou come with that mindset of I've got to push, andthere's no looking back.
– Yeah, and I fullyagree with that for sure 'cause I've been doing the same.
This is like a sacrifice mode that you have to go through sometimes when you start, not like forever, but when you start, andthat is required for anyone.
So what was that phase for you, of like trying to make it work? What did you have to doexactly to make it work? – Well for the longest timeit was the knowledge part.
My first phase was, Idon't know what I'm doing.
As much as I'm doing it, Idon't know what I'm doing.
So it's like even if I'msitting here 20 hours a day, if I don't know what I'm supposed to do, then I'm just wasting time.
It's like going to the gym andyou practice the wrong way, it's actually gonna beharmful than beneficial.
So I was putting in a lot of hours.
My mental capacity, thinkingif I put in a lot of hours I'll get the benefit fromit, but you can't do it if you're doing it the wrong way.
And obviously there'snot one single right way, there's multiple ways, butI kept putting in the hours, doing the research, lookingfor techniques and strategies, what works best, andbasically what can I do that will always makemoney and never lose, so that was my mental stateat that point when I started.
Then came to phase twowhen I did have an idea of what I need to do, and stage two was apsychological barrier of, can you do this regularly? Can you do this frequently? Can you do this bigger? 'Cause that's the nextstage, is like, okay, if you understand how the markets work, then why are you trading one mini lot? Step up your game, show me.
So that inner voice keeps battling you, saying, what's the pointof trading one mini lot? Come on, do standard lots.
And then that's the nextpsychological barrier that you have to overcome.
Up until a certain point,money has a story behind it.
If you say I made $500 today,to some people that's rent, to some people that's shopping money, to some people it means nothing.
But it has a meaning.
That number has a meaning to many people.
So in the beginning you have to go through the psychological barrierto remove the meaning from the number, thatthis is just a number.
It doesn't matter.
So that part was hard forme because in university I had not much money to myselfand every penny counted, so every time I made aloss I actually felt it.
That meant that that's myrent or that's my food, so I really felt it.
That psychological barrieris like the next phase that you have to overcome.
– Pretty curious here,because that's something that I see a lot ofpeople have trouble with, the money mindset if you can call it.
So how did you kind of shift that? How did you learn that money was something that you weren't too attached to? How did that look like? – Well, I don't knowhow that shift happened, but I do know that that wasa big barrier in my life.
It was a huge huge factor in my life, because you're bombardedwith, especially in college, you're like if I graduate,I'm gonna get a job with this much salary.
Now whether someone saysyour salary is 30,000, 50,000, or 100,000, it's just a number, but what that means to you, right, like 30,000 means this ismy house, this is my car, this is my shopping, 50means this is my house, this is my car, this is my shopping.
So when you think of it in that sense, that stuck with me I wouldsay for more than five years, where money up to 20, $25,000 had meaning, and breaking that barrier,I couldn't break it, so my hack was I'll move to India because $25,000 goes a longways in a place like India.
But after a while I started to realize that's not a way out.
That's just cheating life basically.
You have to break the barrierof the number means nothing.
It's just a number.
And then pushing through that.
So that was a tough part for me.
I would say even tougher thanlearning what to do correctly.
– And I think this is why some people say that what counts is not likethe gold, the results you get, but the things you've built over time.
Like how you change overtime with each of your goals.
– Right, right.
And I get that a lot too,when students ask me, okay Navin, what's the perfect strategy? What do I need to do? And then I'm like you know what, even if I gave you theexact thing that I do, I'm sure you can't do it.
And in the beginning they don'tunderstand what that means, and that's normal, andthey're not supposed to understand what that meansbecause they don't have any exposure to, there'sa different angle to it.
So when you get the strategythat's supposed to be right, you've got to put inthe time and hours of.
It's like an archer if hehas to pull the arrow back and shoot it.
I can explain that to you.
Just hold the archer like this,pull the arrow back, let go.
Your goal is to hit the middle dot.
That's the perfect strategy.
But now can you do it? That pulling it back, that feeling, that stretching, of how much should I pull and all that, so that'svery difficult to master and that takes some time todo it over and over and over.
So the strategy is, that'swhat you need to do, but the experience is,now let's do it 500 times.
What happens is, peoplelook for the strategy, they take the strategy,and when it doesn't work the third time they quit.
That part is the hardest one that I've seen time and time again, that people need to persevere.
This is not an industrywhere you can call it quits, change your major, and then good luck and you'll get a job somewhere else.
It's not like that.
You have to persevere.
– I was gonna ask you, where are places where people fall when they apply? So let's say you give them a strategy.
Where do they fall? Is it when like being persistent with it, so doing it all the time,or is it something else? – They fall in the ideaof understanding risk.
See, so in the beginning,and this happens to me too, so please put me in thesame category of that.
In the beginning the mindsetis only focused on opportunity.
You're only looking for,where can I make money, where can I make money? Instead of, which is muchlater as an experienced trader, your objective is, wherecan I not lose money? See this, two differences.
One is trying to protect your money.
The other one is trying tosay, where can I make money.
The where can I make money attitude actually gets you into everytrade, good ones and bad ones, and the bad ones because ofpsychology in the beginning will overrule the good ones, so your losing trades will become bigger than your winning trades, andthat cycle is very dangerous.
So getting to that pointwhere you need to realize you've got to protect yourmoney instead of make the money, or looking for opportunitiestime and time again.
There needs to be a shift in thinking.
– That's a major shift for most people.
Like when they get thisthey completely change.
– Right, right.
You are one of, I wouldsay one of the best people I know when it comes toexplaining price action, how to trade price action.
I think it's very cool that saythat your price action align but they really don't, or they don't know how to explain it, how to do it.
Often it's just like a series of action which they really can'tput down and explain.
So I kind of want to hear, what is your trading process exactly? What does it look liketrading price action for you? – Okay.
Well, I do a lot of trend pullbacks.
I need momentum.
I need the markets to be in a flow.
I can't trade dead markets,so you won't see me trading between the U.
Close and Asian open.
I don't do that stuff.
I don't scalp.
I'm not looking for,can I make a quick buck and then cross my fingers.
So I'm not doing that.
I'm looking for more of astrategic planned execution where I can sit back andsay, okay, I'm in the trade, I've done the best I could, and now the market's gonna tell me.
Now the markets are gonnatell me if I'm right.
And doing it over theyears, it's sort of like you have this connection with the market and the market basicallyguides you through.
Like, it's a little bit different today.
You ready? And if you're not focused enough, you're gonna be like,but I'm just gonna do whatever I normally do,and that can get you, 'cause the marketslightly tips and changes on the day to day basis, so you'll never get thesame trade ever again.
So when it tells you thatlittle different story you need to be so aware and focused that, I see it's a little change.
Am I ready for that? Can I do this? And is it gonna cost me money? That's how I approach price action, is just being a little bit more focused.
– So it's about understandingwhere the market is when you start to trade, and kind of like understanding what to do from there? – Yeah, so for me thereis levels of a trade.
So there is the preparation phase, which is very very important.
You can't skip that.
If you feel you're in a trade and you don't know what to donext, preparation has failed.
You've got to go back to that.
It's not how you do the trade.
It's preparation, it's failing there.
So you've got to masterthe preparation phase.
Then if you know whattrades you have to take because you take the trade, but then the trade runs away without you, then it's a second phase, which is you've got tomaster your entries.
How do you time it to get it just right? Then the next phase is,once I master the entries, my profits are still low,but my losses are high, but my entries are good.
Then you have to master trade management.
How do I learn to stay in the trade and stay with the trade as long as a trade allows me to stay in it with it? Rather than panicking and saying, but this is where I shouldexit, or this is my stop loss.
I made enough money.
Look at that dollar amount, and close.
That part you have to control.
And then the fourth phase is obviously recapping the whole thing and saying, can I remember this todo it all over again if I see it again? So these four phases are equally important and not one should be overlooked.
And that's a huge process.
It took probably like even years to master and be able to execute right.
– Yes, and you'll actuallysee a lot of students come to you and they'llgo through these phases and a lot of them will tell you, I have a problem with the entering part.
And then they'll master the entering part, but they'll still not be making money because they don't knowwhat to do after they enter, because once they enter,their brain goes blank.
What do I do now? Where do I exit, and how should I exit? Or is it just always 30 pips, take profit? Or 40 pips, take profit? So it can't be a fixednumber, and you need to let the market tell you howmuch you can ride it.
That's the fun part Ithink of the journey, to learn all these little little steps to make sure that you master each stage.
– And being able to adapt.
So I would love it if you can, because obviously wedon't have any charts now, but if you can show peoplewhat that looks like on a chart, I think itwould be really helpful.
– Sure, sure.
And so if you want toafter this interview, I can show you on my screen.
We can record it if you want.
– That would be awesome.
So guys, we'll put thelink below for that.
We'll create a page special where Navin's gonna explain to you what he's doing and howhe looks at the market, so we'll put that on the side, but check out the link below.
That should be the first thing.
We'll put that descriptionand stuff if you can watch it.
You just have to go to that link and watch that after theinterview if you want.
– Yeah, it's gonna be more based on that human psychology part that we discussed in our previous interview,so maybe this time I can show it to you on a chart then.
It's easier to understand ifit's visual, right, obviously.
Yeah, we can definitelydo that, no problem.
– I remember the first time we talked.
We discussed a little bit of travel, that you are traveling,you had these routines that you were doing on a daily basis to kind of get back on track and trade, and there were some dayswhere you didn't trade 'cause you were traveling sometimes.
– I want to hear, forsomeone that wants to do this almost full-time, which islike traveling and trading, how should they organizethemselves to be able to do it? Are there things that theykind of have to plan first, or can they just leave and travel and then keep trading at the same time? How do you see this? – Actually you bring up a very good point about that, should they leave and travel.
I think that should never be done.
They can't just leave and go, because especially ifyou're new to traveling, you're so excited about the travel that you can't focus on trading, so you obviously want to dothe travel and trade part once you've traveled a bit already without the pressure of trading.
You've got to travel a bituntil you become numb to it a little bit where it's like normal, and then you can travel and trade because you need full focus in trading.
There is no half-assing it, right? Like you've got to be allin, you've got to be all in.
What I'm about to say mightsound a little bit weird, but I look at it in two different ways.
This is personal to me.
I'm just gonna explain how I look at it.
I look at trading and who Iam as two separate things.
If I wake up in the morningand I don't feel 100% in my A-game or I feel tired or lethargic after a meal or anythinglike that, I can't trade.
Even though in my mindI have the best strategy in the world, I can't do it.
It won't work because my physical body and my mental state is not ready for it.
So getting into thatmindset of, you're here, you're gonna conquer,and you're gonna win, requires some energy in the mornings or before you sit down to trade.
You've got to get intobattle mode basically.
So once you get the mind ready, then you are looking for,now is there an opportunity that has low risk available for me? You need those two aspects together.
So when you're traveling and trading, you might get theopportunity but you yourself might not be ready.
I don't know if that makes sense.
– Yeah, for me that makes sensea lot because there are days where like you don't want to trade.
You feel like you're not in line with what you should do,and those days are tough.
So, is it a rule for yourself that like you don't trade those days, or you find a way to getyourself back in the zone? – I try to get myself back in the zone but it doesn't happen all the time, and those days I don't trade.
It's almost like you wanteverything to line up in your brain, right? Like your mind, your trading,and your opportunity, everything needs to line up perfectly, and like, okay now I can trade.
It's sort of like that.
But if I don't have those things lined up, there is a feeling of,I'm gonna lose today, because I can feel I'm not on my A-game.
Or at least the first fewtrades are gonna be losses.
– And this thing with your days, this is where I feelthe same about sometimes trading but sometimesjust business and work and I force myself to work sometimes, but then I make mistakes.
In my trading I'm more like disciplined.
It was like I don't trade or I just like do something different.
But when I work I makea mistake with that.
So it's I think a reallygood way to kind of stop and reflect back and just take a step back and maybe come back the nextday better, in better form.
– Yeah, and I think that's very important.
Whether you think of thisas a new age mumbo-jumbo of meditation and all thisstuff, whatever it may be, in the past they calledit being in the flow.
Today they call it meditation.
You want to take it ancienttimes they say focus.
Whatever label you giveit throughout time, it's just a matter of beingthere for your charts.
If you can get that to a pointwhere you know you're there, then trading will become alittle bit more easier for you because you can noticethe little subtle changes in the market that you need to adapt to.
– And how would that look like for you? What will you do to get to that level? – You mean like physically, like if I'm doing some kind ofyoga or something like that? – Is it actually yoga or is it just like an exercise perhaps? – I do stretching.
I don't do yoga.
I do meditation, sometimestwice a day if need be.
There is a little trick that I do.
If I'm not in my A-game and I still trade and then I lose, and thenI win, and then I lose, and I still feel I'm not on my A-game, but then I use the power of sleep.
Come back the next dayand see if you're okay, 'cause the sleep breaksthe emotional cycle, when you sleep and you wake up, but if you sleep and you wake up and you're re-conflictedwith the same emotions from yesterday, you're in trouble.
There is something wrong in your life that you need to fix regardless.
But if you sleep and youwake up and you're like, I feel good now, emotions are all gone, then you can sit down to trade.
Sometimes even that doesn't fix it for me, so what I do is then I start to wake up at three o'clock in the morning.
– I do that, and I start my day at three.
The whole city is sleeping.
You obviously see the skyline here.
It's like a billion peoplein front of my eyeballs here.
But I wake up when thewhole city is sleeping and I look at it like theworld is now in my hands and I need to really do what I need to do.
Everything is quiet, there'sno noise, everyone is sleeping.
And then I get back to my rhythm.
So I might wake up in the morning and still not feel it,and I'll play video games.
Three o'clock in the morningI'll play video games, just to relax or do something, or I'll take a long showerand then go hot shower, cold shower, hot shower, cold shower, just to like spark the body.
Wake up, wake up, you know like focus.
And then I get back into my A-game.
So I'll do that for like a week.
I'll wake up at three, go to bed at seven, wake up at three, go to bed at seven.
I'll do that until I getmy rhythm or mojo back if you want to call it,and that works for me.
That's my personal approach to it.
So it's something thatpeople could try, perhaps.
– They can.
– But they have to findwhat works for them.
– Absolutely, absolutely.
Everyone is unique.
I can't say this works forme, so here's a blueprint.
Copy this exactly.
It's gonna work for you.
Maybe it won't.
You can definitely try itand see if it's for you.
– Same thing goes with addingto strategies in trading.
So other people that we talk about before they want to copy what you do or they want to copy what I do sometimes, and I force them to kindof adapt the strategies or the strategies they learn to them.
– Right, right.
– Have you seen yourstudents kind of adapt what you teach them also to themselves, and how do they do it exactly? – I notice most.
Unfortunately, most cannot adapt, so I actually make mycourses in such a way where I force them to adapt.
It sounds communist (laughs) but I do it in a way whereit's subconsciously happening.
I love teaching as well.
So it's sort of a thing I incorporate.
So it's not all about, doyou have the knowledge.
It's, can you teach thatknowledge to a point where, how much time, how quicklycan you turn that student to be like, got it, aha! Like I just had my moment.
I understood what he's saying.
So I take that upon asa challenge as well.
Like, how fast can I turn that aha moment.
So yeah, I force them.
I force them by delaying the next course.
I force them by saying, Ineed to see some examples.
I force them in all different ways or many times I'll teach backwards.
I'll start with something complex and I'll work my way backwards, and then when they getthe basics they're like, oh it all makes sense now.
I can see why the advanced stuff, how it all fits in like a Lego piece.
So that's my approach to it.
– Yeah, and I think youreally have a good way to teach people, a good way to explain concepts that people understand pretty quickly, from whatI've seen in the past.
And people that follow your course and reach out to me, theyunderstood a lot of it or everything pretty much.
– I hope so.
(laughs) I hope so.
Otherwise I'm in trouble.
I would say I have theworld's best students.
They're the nicest people on the planet.
They're very good,they're very intelligent, and they grow fast.
I couldn't be much prouderthan being their mentor or slowly also a colleaguebecause their levels are getting really high very quick.
I'm happy to know them ata personal level as well.
– That's pretty awesome.
And you told me earliertoday that you're working with apps now, with technology, so I kind of want to know how these days you use apps or technologiesto trade better.
Are they things that you thinkanyone would need to use? – Sure.
Everything that I create issomething I need personally, and then we obviouslyrelease it to the world and see if they want touse it too, and they can.
A lot of my days start with, what is the larger player doing? I can't trade if I don't knowwhat the big boys are doing.
You want to call it bigboys, bank, hedge funds, whatever the name you want to give it.
I want to know where thefocus in the world is.
So, I use a specificcurrency strength meter which we've developed.
We call it the FX Meter.
It's on the iOS store.
And what that does is I firsthad it built just for me.
I want to see at a single glance of where's the moneyflowing, and this is not just an indicator measuring these things.
We use our in-house techniqueson how to measure this stuff.
I have a colleague whowakes up every morning and he looks at everysingle chart, 28 pairs, and he handpicks howthe markets are reacting based on everything I've taught him, and he says, okay, todaythe focus is on U.
And then once we spotthat, then it's like, okay, all energy.
It's like a lion sitting behind the bushes just looking out, andit's like you can see a whole bunch of animals,but you want that gazelle because you know that's the target today.
It's the same thing.
So I use that app as I'm traveling.
I don't want to open upand look at everything one by one, so we streamlined it and I had my colleague do this for me and I'm like, okay.
Every morning I look at the app.
It tells me an idea of whatmy focus needs to be on and that gives me a good 30%,I would even say 40% edge on the rest of the worldbecause I pick trades now that have a very veryhigh chance of winning and very low chance ofbeing risky or spiky trades.
So those are the worst, right? You're in the right tradeand it spikes you out and then it still goes, and you're like, oh what just happened? It's the misunderstanding ofwhere the flow of money is.
You need to understandwhere the flow of money is.
Then you can avoid spikes as well.
– So that's kind of beingable to use something even on your cellphone whereyou could be anywhere you want and still get the data? – Absolutely.
– Which is pretty big.
– Right, right.
So I have it on myfingertips and obviously I don't need to do it myself every time so I have a colleague do itso it saves me a lot of time.
So I wake up in the morning.
I can trust that information 'cause it comes from myteachings to my colleagues, so I'm like okay, that data ispure data that I can rely on.
It's not an indicator that'sjust following the market.
I need that.
– Do you ever placetrades on your cellphone, or is it always on the computer? – I place trades on mycellphone all the time.
I exit from my cellphone all the time.
(laughs) Don't do this.
Please do not do this.
It is something I can say I graduated to but I do not recommend anyone do this.
You need to see the whole picture.
You've got to be in front of your screen.
As appealing as it looksto trade on the go, trade on the fly, trade from the airplane.
It's fine, it's great for social media, but it really is, you want to make money, sit behind a computer nicely.
Look at the charts.
Get a full understandingwithout any distractions and then say, okay, now I know what to do.
I can do it on mycellphone as I'm going to 7-Eleven or something, I don't know.
But you gotta get thepicture in your head first of what needs to be done, and there needs to be no distractions.
– A lot of times in the past where I was exiting a trade or enteringtrades on my cellphone it was like basic emotion,like in the moment.
I would see it move andI would want to enter.
And that's usually not theright trade you want to put in.
– Correct, absolutely, andI agree with that 100%.
All those trades thatI've done without knowing on my cellphone 'cause it looks good, I would say nine out of 10 times I lost.
Nine out of 10 times, maybe9.
9 out of 10 times I lost.
Those were horribletrades, horrible horrible.
– But if you're organized,you have your things you look for and everything,then that could be a good process to be able– – Absolutely, absolutely.
Then your cellphone is your buddy.
It's good to keep track.
And here's a little tip Ican share with you guys.
I share it with my senior members.
What I actually do, because I do a lot with the flow of money,and maybe I can even share it with you guys when Ishow you on the screen what I do things.
So what I do is, sometimes let's say the tiger is focusingon U.
dollar today, and if I'm focusing on U.
dollar and I know the entire U.
dollar group is moving in a certain way,Euro/USD a certain way, pound/USD a certain way,USD/yen a certain way, USD/Swiss franc certainway, you get the idea.
The whole U.
dollar ismoving in a certain direction, and if I say I'm gonna trade pound/USD, what I do for my exits, I set alerts throughout the entire U.
The moment my cellphone starts vibrating, the alerts start going off,I'm like, it's time to exit, because the entire groupis reaching a level of support and resistanceand it's going to bounce.
So I don't look for thatjust what I see on pound/USD, but I look at the wholegroup as a collective, but I don't watch it to getpsychologically sucked in.
I put alerts on all ofthem and then I walk away and then I wait till,whether I'm watching TV or I'm talking or handling business, when my phone starts buzzing,one buzz I don't care.
Two, three buzzessimultaneously side by side, okay, exit, exit.
Markets are getting active.
Everyone's gonna start jumping in now.
I will start exitingbecause I can sell to them.
I can start exiting.
So that is a very quick hack on learning how to exit withoutemotionally getting involved.
– And I hear lately that's like the power of using notification andalerts to your advantage, which I've been usingalso in the past year.
– Right, good.
– It's been very useful,so yeah, totally with that.
– Yeah, it's awesome.
Technology doesn't cripple us.
It can actually make you stronger and you need to learn toembrace it if you accept it.
So guys make sure you check this out.
Below the link for the video we'll record about the charts, and that'sgonna be super useful.
I'm sure Navin is alwaysgonna give a lot of value and a lot of tips that hedidn't share before even, so that's always awesome.
And I want to ask, Navin, isanything we didn't talk about you'd like to mention,anything that you kind of maybe worked on the past year or any breakthroughsyou had this past year that you want to share with people? – Well as far asbreakthroughs are concerned, I made it second time on your interview, so that's obviously good, right? (laughs) – Third time.
– Yeah, third time, actually.
So that's obviously good.
That's a breakthrough for meand I love being on your show.
You're a great person to talk to and do an interview with.
It's always fun, and especiallyseeing you in person also flying into Bangkok and meeting in person.
It's always great, it's always great.
The only thing we've done I would say from our last interviewwe did a year ago with you till now, we released alittle bit more courses.
We did a money management course.
Remember I discussedabout how you've got to get rid of that psychological barrier of, what does money mean? So I've actually taught moneymanagement without numbers.
As weird as that sounds.
People get shocked by money management.
I'm not gonna do that.
That's like mathematical stuff.
You can actually hack it, because you need to understand why.
So I go deep into the whyand give you some techniques on how you should look atyour charts in a certain way using money management,and we hack through the psychological barriers as well.
So it's money management mixed together with psychology around money.
So we released that recently, and then obviously the FXMeter app on the iOS Store.
It's also coming out on Android soon.
These are the latestthings we've done so far.
– Pretty cool changes.
So how can people find you ifthey want to connect with you or reach out after this interview, if they want to see what you're doing? – Urbanforex.
Com would be thebest place to reach out to me.
If you want to email meit's navin@urbanforex.
That's my email addressyou can reach out to me.
We're doing an event in Thailand in April.
We rented out a entire resort in Koh Samui so we're having somestudents fly in there, so that's gonna be a greattime to gather around.
You're welcome to come if you're in town.
It'll be fun.
These are the fastest way to reach me.
Com as thewebsite, but if you want to get a hold of me personally,then navin@urbanforex.
– Awesome, and you'vebeen doing a lot of stuff.
I had students reach outin the past here from you.
They got your courses,went through training, and they got a lot of results,so we're happy about it.
– which is awesome.
We have people that weteach the good stuff and teach things that people can apply.
You're doing an awesomejob with that for sure.
– Oh thank you, thank you, thank you.
You mean the students, thefeedback you're getting.
– Yeah yeah, from your students, yeah.
– Oh great, great.
I'm glad to hear, I'm glad to hear.
– So thank you very much.
I appreciate it.
– Thank you, always a pleasure.
– And we'll catch up soon.
– Will do.